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Time to Knock IEng on the Head

Peter Miller
IEng registration in terminal decline
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    Michael,
    100% agreement! Accurately and succinctly put! The fact that it's not currently working as well as we'd like is reason to redoubled or efforts to make it work, not to give up on it!
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    Indeed, and that's the message that's proving difficult to convey to many employers, but we have to keep trying to win them over to the idea. They are the people who are demotivating the many who could be affirming their professionalism by seeking registration at I.Eng and Eng Tech from doing so.
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    Interesting that this discussion topic is nearly 10 years old! What has happened to IEng during that time? Ther Engineering Council strategy to redefine it as a junior CEng has not been successful and the overall numbers of incorporated engineers has still declined significantly. I think there was a time when IEng could have been made more mainstream, but that time has passed and other designations have accommodated any potential value propositions.
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    Hi Ian,


    That is my view as well. I think putting on a CV has a negative effect so I deregistered.
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    The thing is, looking at the definition within UK-Spec, IEng registrants form the bedrock of successful industry, and I make this clear to all IEng candidates I see when I'm PRAing.

    It is such a shame that some employers don't seem to get the message, and tragic that people feel they must de-register to avoid the negativity that surrounds IEng.

    I wish I had the answer. As an institution I feel we really need to solve this - we mustn't be letting down our engineers in this way. IEng demonstrates a great achievement - fact! CVs that I see with IEng mentioned go to the top of the pile.

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    I very much agree with Ian Halliwell. I was all for the IIE/IEE merger but it must be said the IIE used to fight for the Incorporated Engineer.


    John Mann IEng MIET
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    Peter Miller:

     I think there was a time when IEng could have been made more mainstream, but that time has passed and other designations have accommodated any potential value propositions.   




    Hi Peter,

    Just wondering what you're thinking of here? In the UK at least I can't see any way for the majority of "implementation" engineers (don't get hung up on that word, best I could think of in a coffee break!) to show third party recognition of their professional status.


    As I've said many times before on these forums, but here goes again, I find that employers in certain industries find they need to justify the competence of their engineers who take final sign-off responsibility for risky projects, so they grudgingly support CEng. For the rest of their workforce they believe they can make their own judgment of competence; and, frankly, often believe (rightly or wrongly) that they can do this better than the institutions.


    Personally I completely disagree with this attitude - when I was recruiting I would have loved to see candidates coming through with IEng and EngTech, with that evidence that someone has considered whether they approach their work professionally. The only way I can think of to start changing this attitude is to lobby government to ensure that at least for publicly (or semi-publicly) funded contracts a strong preference will be given to companies that ensure all their technical staff are registered at the appropriate level. As part of the quality assurance programme. And that will increase the gene pool for private industry to call on; again when I was recruiting there was no point calling for IEng / EngTech because there's so few out there - chicken-and-egg.


    Cheers,


    Andy 

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    Absolutely David and others sharing this view. It's utterly despair inducing that this has actually led to some deregistering!
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    Hi Andy,


    What I'm thinking is other chartered designations such as 'chartered project manager' or 'chartered manager' would be seen as much more valuable than IEng. So if you have a higher education in engineering, IEng a duplication if you have another certification.
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    Peter,

    I wouldn't agree with you here as the other chargered designations do not show competence and commitment to engineering, which is what IEng does show.

    Alasdair

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