A new model of high-value engineering education

Roy's post sums up the current situation accurately and I think most of us on this forum thread agree with him. However I think Roy ideas for change will not find a common view in the IET or the other PEI's or Engineering Council. In respect of the Uff report one industry comentator said:-

quote
With a certain weariness, Uff comments that his conclusions are not much different to those of other similar reviews conducted over the past 30 years. As for his findings, the engineering institutions have done very little to discuss them with the outside world. The report has been largely buried from view. The inference is that after a certain amount of ritualised self-flagellation – all carried out away from the public gaze – things will carry on much as before.

unquote

Sums it up really!

I liked John’s post because he offers a vivid personal picture of Engineering Education Training and Development from 50 years ago. The RAE was at the time a world leading organisation and much of what he subsequently describes also relates to activities at  the forefront of technology. Having been involved in establishing a professional body for Mechanical Technician Engineers is also something very worthy of respect. Although I can find some reason in his conclusions and opinions, “mud-slinging” and a “blame game” can’t take us forward.  We could argue interminably about, why where we find ourselves now is sub-optimal. Perhaps the “jealous politicians” and “closed-shop, secret society hegemonists” could be named and shamed in some form of Witch Hunt? Collective future benefit zero, but some revenge for the aggrieved.


As I see it looking back for blame is simply a “cock-up versus conspiracy” debate, I prefer to take the view that decisions have been made for seemingly good reasons at the time. I disagree with some but it is easy to crticise with hindsight. Thanks to the contributions of our overseas members, it seems to me that this isn’t a uniquely UK issue.


I liked Peter’s post, because he, succinctly challenges the status quo. The suggestion seems to be that governance of the profession has not been fairly representative of the practice of engineering as a whole, does not want to, or is not able to affect any useful change. This is a fair challenge, with evidence to support it (such as “the IEng problem”) whether you agree or not. 


Personally I’m sad that the divisions created by the profession, have produced something of a bitter legacy.  I do not want the situation to exist in future where some well-trained and competent practitioners of good character, find themselves diminished or unwelcome as participants in a professional community.  A challenge for the IET and like-minded organisations is how to make the “Learned Society model” which has many good features, relevant and attractive to all those who we seek to represent , a very broad group indeed. As I see it (certainly not as a sycophant) the IET has made good progress in being more inclusive, with two others of the big three, not so far off. This is probably a "half-full versus half-empty" argument, depending on where you stand, but objectively there are many positives and most members are satisfied.

 

This thread was created in response to academics seeing the need to offer a different approach to undergraduate engineering degree courses.  There seems to have developed (not just in the UK) a disconnect between academic study and practice. Many assumptions such as the length of courses, have remained largely unchallenged for a long time. Quality assurance mechanisms such as accreditation have maintained reasonable consistency of content and minimum standards. Many excellent engineers have also been developed through such programmes. However, it seems that most of the graduates could not reasonably be seen as “work ready” and require a similar period of workplace preparation.  I’m not saying that this is “wrong”. My argument is about optimisation, efficiency and especially the unfair treatment of those who have met a similar minimum standard of “learnedness”, sometimes in a more work relevant way or more quickly, through higher intensity.      

 

Unfortunately attempts to codify, categorise and distinguish between, different types of professional contribution in Engineering and Technology, have chosen to use an academic “snapshot” at a very early stage of career. As is common in the hands of educationists, vocational attainment is undervalued relative to academic. This further introduces the sociological elements of access to academic opportunity and social class.


Peer Review using UK-SPEC as carried out by the IET, doesn’t present a rigid academic barrier, but it can be very difficult to apply fairly, especially when trying to distinguish between the two categories of Engineer where practice overlaps.However, some present this divide as a yawning chasm, valuing one side hugely disproportionately more than the other which magnifies the problem. The peer review principle is actually a very good one and a foundation stone of justice systems.      


 John stated  Apprentices work and study full time, or full time and night school. We worked from 7.30 AM to 9.30 PM 3 days a week and two days full time, with 11 days annual leave.  A full-time student (slight edit) will study 2 short semesters with very long holidays they have a lot of experience to catch upon.         

 

To compete with this would seem like the famous Monty Python Sketch https://genius.com/Monty-python-four-yorkshiremen-live-lyrics  and I couldn’t personally, since my apprenticeship was relatively "cushy" in comparison, although I had to work the time back, to continue study later. However, the programme that I described in my previous post, required a very high level of commitment, discipline and hard work. Some technical careers require much perspiration and relatively modest inspiration, in others the balance is reversed.


 





 

Let’s get back to Engineering; not Fake Technology; not selling titles
From experience I can say that people will do anything to protect their status and careers at the expense of others. 

 
This is what is happening today at IET, the IIE has been discredited and most IIE non electrical members have been forced to leave. It is happening everywhere.

 
We now have Fake, politicians, supported by Fake journalists, we have Fake science and Fake technology. (Fusion, Vacuum Train, Micro Reactors, and IT gadgets). 
The IET engineers do not question the validity of what is published in their journal in their name.

 
We have had three years of presidents that have used IET for their own prestige.
We have made honorary fellows who used IET for their own prestige.
One could not explain the difference between power and energy,
Another used IET to promote Fusion that his university has been financing and promoting for 50 years without ever asking where the true engineering model is.

 
No one dares to question them; the president went on a world tour promoting what? We are not an enterprise, or are we?
He came to France and snubbed the French IET Community.

 
I do not want a Fake PEI that denigrates the back bone of UK Engineering – MIETs IEng.

 
There are members who stand up and show the truth on matters quoted in the IET Blogs, the WEB allows free speech and allows people to make statements that cannot be validated. A sort of Hyde Park corner.

 
I simply question what is being reported and call on members to protect their original rights and status.

 
A close contractor and a later friend said to me :
“Every man should pass on what he has gained in experience & knowledge to the next generation”. In fact it was Hern JS Bach who wrote a cantata that stated that -  BWV 147 or something like that.

 
There is a lot of lose talk and no engineering advice in the IET blogs and E&T.
This is again an English fault first reported by a famous critic -
"Mere prattle and no practice" [1600 - Bill Shakespeare]

 

These blogs seem to be mainly interested in promoting CEng (electrical/IT).
Let’s get back to Engineering

There are Engineering Communities on our WEB which have some good articles on Electrical or IT technologies.

Those on general technology are void of viewers and even less commentaries. There are not many subjects outside of Electricity & IT.
IIE used to have very good articles which I investigated and used in my engineering work.

I have posted articles on Future Engineering and I have questioned the unsupported non peer review articles.

Here are a few Fake technology issues:

If anyone can counteract these facts please speak up?
Factual references:

 
FUSION LOBBIES USING E&T and IET

 
        Nuclear Fusion – the Energy for the future?

 
Dr Melanie Windridge – (Fusion Lobbyist)
Two meetings at IET on the same date and venue
         UNLOCKING FUSION POWER - HAVE WE FOUND THE KEY
         Fusion Future - Tokamak Energy with Dr Melanie Windridge

 
FUSION Legal Actions in the UK

 
Atomic scientist reaches out-of-court settlement with Government after claiming he was sacked to discredit his work which he believes could stop global warming  
MG sued the UK Atomic Energy Authority after sacking 
Argued it was because his fusion research found 'solution to global warming'
'I was invited to come to the UK to do this research, which led to the the UK's own fusion programme.
Now I've been fired for pursuing this research'
Employment tribunal ended suddenly today after parties agreed settlement 

 
UKAEA UK employees and UKAEA Contractors were awarded over £45 Million compensation for positive discrimination in employment contracts by UKAEA and EURATOM.

 
House of Lords Commission 2015
Professor Steven Cowley: No. I think we need fusion later in this century.
What we have now are transitional decarbonising technologies, which are fission and carbon capture and storage. At some point we will have to move on from current technology because we cannot do infinite amounts of carbon capture and storage or fission. By the end of the century we need some technologies to replace them. We have done some fusion at Culham: 16 megawatts of fusion power on JET –(thermal Power 16KW_Th). We can make the conditions for fusion. We have to make a step to the scientific demonstration of fusion, but that still is not commercial demonstration of fusion. Whether we can do that in the 2040s or whether it will wait until 2080 is the question.

 
Lord Peston:
Did you say between 2040 and 2080, not 2014 and 2018?

 
Professor Steven Cowley:    ‘’’’2080.

 
Lord Peston: And you think you can forecast over that timescale?
I do not know anyone else in the forecasting game who would remotely make a remark like that.
I speak as someone who used to earn a good living from forecasting.
-          You are talking about cloud-cuckoo-land, are you not?
Sorry, Professor Cowley, I am addressing all three of you on this.

 
WIKIPEDIA –
As of 2015, Cowley was paid a salary of between £205,000 and £209,999 by the UKAEA, making him one of the 328 most highly paid people in the UK.

 
JG : a very good reason for selling Fusion; better than working as an engineer
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

 
UKAEA refused to recruit any engineers other than CEng I Mech E for Technology  posts.
Professor Cowley, Honary Fellow IET, has upheld a procedure where his Chief Engineer at CCFE UKAEA pursued a policy of recruiting Mechanical Engineers from his Institute only, the Institute of Mechanical Engineers. He also refused to recruit any engineers other than CEng I Mech E for Technology  posts.

 
JG: I was Engineer in Charge at JET, as a UKAEA employee. I saved the project from failure on five occasions; the CCFE Chief Engineer has exactly the same qualifications with far less experience than I have.
He is BSc with no Master (CEng). He has no experience outside of UKAEA Fusion. He will not recruit an engineer without a master – hypocrite.

 
I made the journey to the UK to meet this person, I explained to him that IET was an all round Technology Institute. He agreed to accept IET mechanical engineers but refused to employ non CEng.

 
As far as employment is concerned the Fusion project of UKAEA has one of the worst employment records in the UK and has paid the highest out of court compensations in the UK.
The CEO was hauled before the House of Lords to explain his “FAKE” Fusion proclamations . My fitter is brain dead after an unsupervised intervention at JET.
Prof Cowley Resigned from UKAEA CCFE, IET made him an Honary Fellow.

 
As far as Fusion is concerned, they have no idea of how to make steam; let alone how to drive an alternator they have no DEMO Model – 2150 is their deadline – too late.

• The Vacuum train takes how much power to make a vacuum?

• What batteries for electrical cars, Lithium from the sea?

• Where does the power come from to charge all those car batteries that replace Petrol engine cars? Etc etc

 
To show what interest there is in Engineering & Technology at the E&T, just consult the Engineering Communities, those that are not IT or Electrical. 
Take Future Energy as an example.  
There are a limited number of sound engineering reports and questions, viewed by a few members and replied to by zero to three members. I find that typical of IET today I find that pathetic..

 
The IET President 2015, did not know the difference between energy and power, and the Fusion lobby confuse every one with Thermal Power MW_Th and Electrical Power MW _El,

 
What hope for Future Energy or Future Engineers in the UK?

 
Do not count on IET.

 
Well all those active bloggers that are CEng and better than the back bone Professional Engineer, let’s see your worth, pass on your advice and experience, that is what PEIs are for.
Print up or *****.

 
Or have you nothing professional to say.

 
John Gowman  BA (ex IEng) MIET

Let’s get back to Engineering; not Fake Technology; not selling titles
From experience I can say that people will do anything to protect their status and careers at the expense of others. 

 
This is what is happening today at IET, the IIE has been discredited and most IIE non electrical members have been forced to leave. It is happening everywhere.

 
We now have Fake, politicians, supported by Fake journalists, we have Fake science and Fake technology. (Fusion, Vacuum Train, Micro Reactors, and IT gadgets). 
The IET engineers do not question the validity of what is published in their journal in their name.

 
We have had three years of presidents that have used IET for their own prestige.
We have made honorary fellows who used IET for their own prestige.
One could not explain the difference between power and energy,
Another used IET to promote Fusion that his university has been financing and promoting for 50 years without ever asking where the true engineering model is.

 
No one dares to question them; the president went on a world tour promoting what? We are not an enterprise, or are we?
He came to France and snubbed the French IET Community.

 
I do not want a Fake PEI that denigrates the back bone of UK Engineering – MIETs IEng.

 
There are members who stand up and show the truth on matters quoted in the IET Blogs, the WEB allows free speech and allows people to make statements that cannot be validated. A sort of Hyde Park corner.

 
I simply question what is being reported and call on members to protect their original rights and status.

 
A close contractor and a later friend said to me :
“Every man should pass on what he has gained in experience & knowledge to the next generation”. In fact it was Hern JS Bach who wrote a cantata that stated that -  BWV 147 or something like that.

 
There is a lot of lose talk and no engineering advice in the IET blogs and E&T.
This is again an English fault first reported by a famous critic -
"Mere prattle and no practice" [1600 - Bill Shakespeare]

 

These blogs seem to be mainly interested in promoting CEng (electrical/IT).
Let’s get back to Engineering

There are Engineering Communities on our WEB which have some good articles on Electrical or IT technologies.

Those on general technology are void of viewers and even less commentaries. There are not many subjects outside of Electricity & IT.
IIE used to have very good articles which I investigated and used in my engineering work.

I have posted articles on Future Engineering and I have questioned the unsupported non peer review articles.

Here are a few Fake technology issues:

If anyone can counteract these facts please speak up?
Factual references:

 
FUSION LOBBIES USING E&T and IET

 
        Nuclear Fusion – the Energy for the future?

 
Dr Melanie Windridge – (Fusion Lobbyist)
Two meetings at IET on the same date and venue
         UNLOCKING FUSION POWER - HAVE WE FOUND THE KEY
         Fusion Future - Tokamak Energy with Dr Melanie Windridge

 
FUSION Legal Actions in the UK

 
Atomic scientist reaches out-of-court settlement with Government after claiming he was sacked to discredit his work which he believes could stop global warming  
MG sued the UK Atomic Energy Authority after sacking 
Argued it was because his fusion research found 'solution to global warming'
'I was invited to come to the UK to do this research, which led to the the UK's own fusion programme.
Now I've been fired for pursuing this research'
Employment tribunal ended suddenly today after parties agreed settlement 

 
UKAEA UK employees and UKAEA Contractors were awarded over £45 Million compensation for positive discrimination in employment contracts by UKAEA and EURATOM.

 
House of Lords Commission 2015
Professor Steven Cowley: No. I think we need fusion later in this century.
What we have now are transitional decarbonising technologies, which are fission and carbon capture and storage. At some point we will have to move on from current technology because we cannot do infinite amounts of carbon capture and storage or fission. By the end of the century we need some technologies to replace them. We have done some fusion at Culham: 16 megawatts of fusion power on JET –(thermal Power 16KW_Th). We can make the conditions for fusion. We have to make a step to the scientific demonstration of fusion, but that still is not commercial demonstration of fusion. Whether we can do that in the 2040s or whether it will wait until 2080 is the question.

 
Lord Peston:
Did you say between 2040 and 2080, not 2014 and 2018?

 
Professor Steven Cowley:    ‘’’’2080.

 
Lord Peston: And you think you can forecast over that timescale?
I do not know anyone else in the forecasting game who would remotely make a remark like that.
I speak as someone who used to earn a good living from forecasting.
-          You are talking about cloud-cuckoo-land, are you not?
Sorry, Professor Cowley, I am addressing all three of you on this.

 
WIKIPEDIA –
As of 2015, Cowley was paid a salary of between £205,000 and £209,999 by the UKAEA, making him one of the 328 most highly paid people in the UK.

 
JG : a very good reason for selling Fusion; better than working as an engineer
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

 
UKAEA refused to recruit any engineers other than CEng I Mech E for Technology  posts.
Professor Cowley, Honary Fellow IET, has upheld a procedure where his Chief Engineer at CCFE UKAEA pursued a policy of recruiting Mechanical Engineers from his Institute only, the Institute of Mechanical Engineers. He also refused to recruit any engineers other than CEng I Mech E for Technology  posts.

 
JG: I was Engineer in Charge at JET, as a UKAEA employee. I saved the project from failure on five occasions; the CCFE Chief Engineer has exactly the same qualifications with far less experience than I have.
He is BSc with no Master (CEng). He has no experience outside of UKAEA Fusion. He will not recruit an engineer without a master – hypocrite.

 
I made the journey to the UK to meet this person, I explained to him that IET was an all round Technology Institute. He agreed to accept IET mechanical engineers but refused to employ non CEng.

 
As far as employment is concerned the Fusion project of UKAEA has one of the worst employment records in the UK and has paid the highest out of court compensations in the UK.
The CEO was hauled before the House of Lords to explain his “FAKE” Fusion proclamations . My fitter is brain dead after an unsupervised intervention at JET.
Prof Cowley Resigned from UKAEA CCFE, IET made him an Honary Fellow.

 
As far as Fusion is concerned, they have no idea of how to make steam; let alone how to drive an alternator they have no DEMO Model – 2150 is their deadline – too late.

• The Vacuum train takes how much power to make a vacuum?

• What batteries for electrical cars, Lithium from the sea?

• Where does the power come from to charge all those car batteries that replace Petrol engine cars? Etc etc

 
To show what interest there is in Engineering & Technology at the E&T, just consult the Engineering Communities, those that are not IT or Electrical. 
Take Future Energy as an example.  
There are a limited number of sound engineering reports and questions, viewed by a few members and replied to by zero to three members. I find that typical of IET today I find that pathetic..

 
The IET President 2015, did not know the difference between energy and power, and the Fusion lobby confuse every one with Thermal Power MW_Th and Electrical Power MW _El,

 
What hope for Future Energy or Future Engineers in the UK?

 
Do not count on IET.

 
Well all those active bloggers that are CEng and better than the back bone Professional Engineer, let’s see your worth, pass on your advice and experience, that is what PEIs are for.
Print up or *****.

 
Or have you nothing professional to say.

 
John Gowman  BA (ex IEng) MIET

Let’s get back to Engineering; not Fake Technology; not selling titles
From experience I can say that people will do anything to protect their status and careers at the expense of others. 

 
This is what is happening today at IET, the IIE has been discredited and most IIE non electrical members have been forced to leave. It is happening everywhere.

 
We now have Fake, politicians, supported by Fake journalists, we have Fake science and Fake technology. (Fusion, Vacuum Train, Micro Reactors, and IT gadgets). 
The IET engineers do not question the validity of what is published in their journal in their name.

 
We have had three years of presidents that have used IET for their own prestige.
We have made honorary fellows who used IET for their own prestige.
One could not explain the difference between power and energy,
Another used IET to promote Fusion that his university has been financing and promoting for 50 years without ever asking where the true engineering model is.

 
No one dares to question them; the president went on a world tour promoting what? We are not an enterprise, or are we?
He came to France and snubbed the French IET Community.

 
I do not want a Fake PEI that denigrates the back bone of UK Engineering – MIETs IEng.

 
There are members who stand up and show the truth on matters quoted in the IET Blogs, the WEB allows free speech and allows people to make statements that cannot be validated. A sort of Hyde Park corner.

 
I simply question what is being reported and call on members to protect their original rights and status.

 
A close contractor and a later friend said to me :
“Every man should pass on what he has gained in experience & knowledge to the next generation”. In fact it was Hern JS Bach who wrote a cantata that stated that -  BWV 147 or something like that.

 
There is a lot of lose talk and no engineering advice in the IET blogs and E&T.
This is again an English fault first reported by a famous critic -
"Mere prattle and no practice" [1600 - Bill Shakespeare]

 

These blogs seem to be mainly interested in promoting CEng (electrical/IT).
Let’s get back to Engineering

There are Engineering Communities on our WEB which have some good articles on Electrical or IT technologies.

Those on general technology are void of viewers and even less commentaries. There are not many subjects outside of Electricity & IT.
IIE used to have very good articles which I investigated and used in my engineering work.

I have posted articles on Future Engineering and I have questioned the unsupported non peer review articles.

Here are a few Fake technology issues:

If anyone can counteract these facts please speak up?
Factual references:

 
FUSION LOBBIES USING E&T and IET

 
        Nuclear Fusion – the Energy for the future?

 
Dr Melanie Windridge – (Fusion Lobbyist)
Two meetings at IET on the same date and venue
         UNLOCKING FUSION POWER - HAVE WE FOUND THE KEY
         Fusion Future - Tokamak Energy with Dr Melanie Windridge

 
FUSION Legal Actions in the UK

 
Atomic scientist reaches out-of-court settlement with Government after claiming he was sacked to discredit his work which he believes could stop global warming  
MG sued the UK Atomic Energy Authority after sacking 
Argued it was because his fusion research found 'solution to global warming'
'I was invited to come to the UK to do this research, which led to the the UK's own fusion programme.
Now I've been fired for pursuing this research'
Employment tribunal ended suddenly today after parties agreed settlement 

 
UKAEA UK employees and UKAEA Contractors were awarded over £45 Million compensation for positive discrimination in employment contracts by UKAEA and EURATOM.

 
House of Lords Commission 2015
Professor Steven Cowley: No. I think we need fusion later in this century.
What we have now are transitional decarbonising technologies, which are fission and carbon capture and storage. At some point we will have to move on from current technology because we cannot do infinite amounts of carbon capture and storage or fission. By the end of the century we need some technologies to replace them. We have done some fusion at Culham: 16 megawatts of fusion power on JET –(thermal Power 16KW_Th). We can make the conditions for fusion. We have to make a step to the scientific demonstration of fusion, but that still is not commercial demonstration of fusion. Whether we can do that in the 2040s or whether it will wait until 2080 is the question.

 
Lord Peston:
Did you say between 2040 and 2080, not 2014 and 2018?

 
Professor Steven Cowley:    ‘’’’2080.

 
Lord Peston: And you think you can forecast over that timescale?
I do not know anyone else in the forecasting game who would remotely make a remark like that.
I speak as someone who used to earn a good living from forecasting.
-          You are talking about cloud-cuckoo-land, are you not?
Sorry, Professor Cowley, I am addressing all three of you on this.

 
WIKIPEDIA –
As of 2015, Cowley was paid a salary of between £205,000 and £209,999 by the UKAEA, making him one of the 328 most highly paid people in the UK.

 
JG : a very good reason for selling Fusion; better than working as an engineer
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

 
UKAEA refused to recruit any engineers other than CEng I Mech E for Technology  posts.
Professor Cowley, Honary Fellow IET, has upheld a procedure where his Chief Engineer at CCFE UKAEA pursued a policy of recruiting Mechanical Engineers from his Institute only, the Institute of Mechanical Engineers. He also refused to recruit any engineers other than CEng I Mech E for Technology  posts.

 
JG: I was Engineer in Charge at JET, as a UKAEA employee. I saved the project from failure on five occasions; the CCFE Chief Engineer has exactly the same qualifications with far less experience than I have.
He is BSc with no Master (CEng). He has no experience outside of UKAEA Fusion. He will not recruit an engineer without a master – hypocrite.

 
I made the journey to the UK to meet this person, I explained to him that IET was an all round Technology Institute. He agreed to accept IET mechanical engineers but refused to employ non CEng.

 
As far as employment is concerned the Fusion project of UKAEA has one of the worst employment records in the UK and has paid the highest out of court compensations in the UK.
The CEO was hauled before the House of Lords to explain his “FAKE” Fusion proclamations . My fitter is brain dead after an unsupervised intervention at JET.
Prof Cowley Resigned from UKAEA CCFE, IET made him an Honary Fellow.

 
As far as Fusion is concerned, they have no idea of how to make steam; let alone how to drive an alternator they have no DEMO Model – 2150 is their deadline – too late.

• The Vacuum train takes how much power to make a vacuum?

• What batteries for electrical cars, Lithium from the sea?

• Where does the power come from to charge all those car batteries that replace Petrol engine cars? Etc etc

 
To show what interest there is in Engineering & Technology at the E&T, just consult the Engineering Communities, those that are not IT or Electrical. 
Take Future Energy as an example.  
There are a limited number of sound engineering reports and questions, viewed by a few members and replied to by zero to three members. I find that typical of IET today I find that pathetic..

 
The IET President 2015, did not know the difference between energy and power, and the Fusion lobby confuse every one with Thermal Power MW_Th and Electrical Power MW _El,

 
What hope for Future Energy or Future Engineers in the UK?

 
Do not count on IET.

 
Well all those active bloggers that are CEng and better than the back bone Professional Engineer, let’s see your worth, pass on your advice and experience, that is what PEIs are for.
Print up or *****.

 
Or have you nothing professional to say.

 
John Gowman  BA (ex IEng) MIET

Let’s get back to Engineering; not Fake Technology; not selling titles
From experience I can say that people will do anything to protect their status and careers at the expense of others. 

 
This is what is happening today at IET, the IIE has been discredited and most IIE non electrical members have been forced to leave. It is happening everywhere.

 
We now have Fake, politicians, supported by Fake journalists, we have Fake science and Fake technology. (Fusion, Vacuum Train, Micro Reactors, and IT gadgets). 
The IET engineers do not question the validity of what is published in their journal in their name.

 
We have had three years of presidents that have used IET for their own prestige.
We have made honorary fellows who used IET for their own prestige.
One could not explain the difference between power and energy,
Another used IET to promote Fusion that his university has been financing and promoting for 50 years without ever asking where the true engineering model is.

 
No one dares to question them; the president went on a world tour promoting what? We are not an enterprise, or are we?
He came to France and snubbed the French IET Community.

 
I do not want a Fake PEI that denigrates the back bone of UK Engineering – MIETs IEng.

 
There are members who stand up and show the truth on matters quoted in the IET Blogs, the WEB allows free speech and allows people to make statements that cannot be validated. A sort of Hyde Park corner.

 
I simply question what is being reported and call on members to protect their original rights and status.

 
A close contractor and a later friend said to me :
“Every man should pass on what he has gained in experience & knowledge to the next generation”. In fact it was Hern JS Bach who wrote a cantata that stated that -  BWV 147 or something like that.

 
There is a lot of lose talk and no engineering advice in the IET blogs and E&T.
This is again an English fault first reported by a famous critic -
"Mere prattle and no practice" [1600 - Bill Shakespeare]

 

These blogs seem to be mainly interested in promoting CEng (electrical/IT).
Let’s get back to Engineering

There are Engineering Communities on our WEB which have some good articles on Electrical or IT technologies.

Those on general technology are void of viewers and even less commentaries. There are not many subjects outside of Electricity & IT.
IIE used to have very good articles which I investigated and used in my engineering work.

I have posted articles on Future Engineering and I have questioned the unsupported non peer review articles.

Here are a few Fake technology issues:

If anyone can counteract these facts please speak up?
Factual references:

 
FUSION LOBBIES USING E&T and IET

 
        Nuclear Fusion – the Energy for the future?

 
Dr Melanie Windridge – (Fusion Lobbyist)
Two meetings at IET on the same date and venue
         UNLOCKING FUSION POWER - HAVE WE FOUND THE KEY
         Fusion Future - Tokamak Energy with Dr Melanie Windridge

 
FUSION Legal Actions in the UK

 
Atomic scientist reaches out-of-court settlement with Government after claiming he was sacked to discredit his work which he believes could stop global warming  
MG sued the UK Atomic Energy Authority after sacking 
Argued it was because his fusion research found 'solution to global warming'
'I was invited to come to the UK to do this research, which led to the the UK's own fusion programme.
Now I've been fired for pursuing this research'
Employment tribunal ended suddenly today after parties agreed settlement 

 
UKAEA UK employees and UKAEA Contractors were awarded over £45 Million compensation for positive discrimination in employment contracts by UKAEA and EURATOM.

 
House of Lords Commission 2015
Professor Steven Cowley: No. I think we need fusion later in this century.
What we have now are transitional decarbonising technologies, which are fission and carbon capture and storage. At some point we will have to move on from current technology because we cannot do infinite amounts of carbon capture and storage or fission. By the end of the century we need some technologies to replace them. We have done some fusion at Culham: 16 megawatts of fusion power on JET –(thermal Power 16KW_Th). We can make the conditions for fusion. We have to make a step to the scientific demonstration of fusion, but that still is not commercial demonstration of fusion. Whether we can do that in the 2040s or whether it will wait until 2080 is the question.

 
Lord Peston:
Did you say between 2040 and 2080, not 2014 and 2018?

 
Professor Steven Cowley:    ‘’’’2080.

 
Lord Peston: And you think you can forecast over that timescale?
I do not know anyone else in the forecasting game who would remotely make a remark like that.
I speak as someone who used to earn a good living from forecasting.
-          You are talking about cloud-cuckoo-land, are you not?
Sorry, Professor Cowley, I am addressing all three of you on this.

 
WIKIPEDIA –
As of 2015, Cowley was paid a salary of between £205,000 and £209,999 by the UKAEA, making him one of the 328 most highly paid people in the UK.

 
JG : a very good reason for selling Fusion; better than working as an engineer
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UKAEA refused to recruit any engineers other than CEng I Mech E for Technology  posts.
Professor Cowley, Honary Fellow IET, has upheld a procedure where his Chief Engineer at CCFE UKAEA pursued a policy of recruiting Mechanical Engineers from his Institute only, the Institute of Mechanical Engineers. He also refused to recruit any engineers other than CEng I Mech E for Technology  posts.

 
JG: I was Engineer in Charge at JET, as a UKAEA employee. I saved the project from failure on five occasions; the CCFE Chief Engineer has exactly the same qualifications with far less experience than I have.
He is BSc with no Master (CEng). He has no experience outside of UKAEA Fusion. He will not recruit an engineer without a master – hypocrite.

 
I made the journey to the UK to meet this person, I explained to him that IET was an all round Technology Institute. He agreed to accept IET mechanical engineers but refused to employ non CEng.

 
As far as employment is concerned the Fusion project of UKAEA has one of the worst employment records in the UK and has paid the highest out of court compensations in the UK.
The CEO was hauled before the House of Lords to explain his “FAKE” Fusion proclamations . My fitter is brain dead after an unsupervised intervention at JET.
Prof Cowley Resigned from UKAEA CCFE, IET made him an Honary Fellow.

 
As far as Fusion is concerned, they have no idea of how to make steam; let alone how to drive an alternator they have no DEMO Model – 2150 is their deadline – too late.

• The Vacuum train takes how much power to make a vacuum?

• What batteries for electrical cars, Lithium from the sea?

• Where does the power come from to charge all those car batteries that replace Petrol engine cars? Etc etc

 
To show what interest there is in Engineering & Technology at the E&T, just consult the Engineering Communities, those that are not IT or Electrical. 
Take Future Energy as an example.  
There are a limited number of sound engineering reports and questions, viewed by a few members and replied to by zero to three members. I find that typical of IET today I find that pathetic..

 
The IET President 2015, did not know the difference between energy and power, and the Fusion lobby confuse every one with Thermal Power MW_Th and Electrical Power MW _El,

 
What hope for Future Energy or Future Engineers in the UK?

 
Do not count on IET.

 
Well all those active bloggers that are CEng and better than the back bone Professional Engineer, let’s see your worth, pass on your advice and experience, that is what PEIs are for.
Print up or *****.

 
Or have you nothing professional to say.

 
John Gowman  BA (ex IEng) MIET

John

I have resisted responding to your monologues, despite various provocative statements and allegations, in the interests of tolerating free speech and the hope that, somewhere, there might be a good idea worth pursuing or a serious wrong that needs putting right.  However, you have reached the insulting and probably libelous stage of your campaign complaining about fake information by employing your own fake and rude allegations.


Whatever legitimate causes you might wish to advocate are never going to be considered because of your technique of insulting the organisation to which you belong and the personal attacks on the elected volunteers who strive to do their best, pro bono, for the good of our Institution and our profession.


I suggest that you either apologise and withdraw these insults, or join another organisation which is more willing to tolerate your approach.


To avoid ambiguity, I am advising this as an ordinary member of the IET, not from an official position. 

WOW.


Listen up lads its a new world order out there; change is coming.


The old ways of doing are no longer acceptable nor tolerated without transparency and ethics. we live in a different world.


#e5

Hi Barry,


I fully suport you mail . I think that the discussion is going for too long with the offensive comments . I would think that it would be better for John to move his "oratorial  commemts" to other

forum .


John ,

you do not need to stay in Organisation you hate so much . Find other one which would fullfil your particular requirements .


Best regards

Grazyna