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Greenhouse gas emissions

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Where do you think the Govt. found the confidence to pledge "a 68% cut in greenhouse gas emissions within the next ten years" last week?
  • Former Community Member
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    I'm just an Electrical Engineer, my Father was an electrician, his Father was a Motor Mechanic.

    (Who could be better qualified for this job?)


    My brief is to change the fuel we use in our engines, that's all.


    Therefore:

    Beast of Burden engine - You feed it, it breaths in and out, its' limbs move (add two wheels = one horse power).

    Steam engine - You feed it, it breaths in and out, its' limbs move the wheels directly.

    Internal Combustion engine - You feed it, it breaths in and out very fast, better power to weight ratio, cutting edge transmission systems.


    "Now change the fuel powering the engine", not "now redesign the bio-mechanics of the Horse"!



    And yes:

    A crankshaft fed by electric motors is basically just a straight bar with a cog somewhere along its' length. The advantage of which is; it is feasible to shift the location of the electric motors to different positions along the length of the crank every time you pull the clutch in, which means you can effectively emulate the handling characteristics of a 'Flat (inline) 4' and a 'V4' ICE powered Motorbike, on the same lap!

    To a bike racer, this is Utopia.


    We try thinking of our battery bank in terms of a (large animal) '4 stomach energy storage/breakdown system'. Four different chemical compositions of battery, utilizing our variations in voltage and temperature across the battery bank.


    We use motion of front wheel(s)/air flow/kinetic energy for charging on the move.


    We kick internal combustion in the butt.


  • Don't forget that with current technology you are going to need to do a lot of excavation with all the damage that will do too. Portugal is high on the list right now and others will have to follow. Current lithium is not sustainable at all. I'm sure it will be OK for a few years but we will need alternatives pretty quickly. 

    Hydrogen is gaining popularity but has its own issues too. I suspect we will Land in some sort of mid ground using a bit of both.
  • (ii) If you cannot visual (sic) in your minds eye just how simple it is to replace a piston and con-rod powered crankshaft with a similar crankshaft powered by electric motors, then you are going to find it very difficult to persuade anybody that you are electrical engineers.


    Well I do not know what you are visualising of course, but you certainly do not need a crankshaft, a straight one would be better, but a motor in each hub and eliminating all the transmission shafts bearings and losses and so on better still.

    The problem is that the motor and its controls are  the really easy bit.

    You need to power it, and that is where the 25 year campaign will be needed.

    More chargers, more street distribution, more HV transmission, more generation, all will have to be accomodated.

    Oh, and if you can develop a better battery for us as well, that would be good.

    At least motorbike makers are talking about agreeing on a common swap-able battery format, that should make things easier in terms of charging speed.

    Mike.
  • Urban background NO2 pollution has reduced both in the long-term and in recent years



    Do we want to build a cleaner environment for future generations?



    It is estimated that there are around 40,000 excess deaths every year as a result of air pollution. Many of these are older people, but some of them are children. The effects of air pollution on children’s physical development continue throughout their life, with a cost to the NHS estimated at £20 billion. Some of you may be aware of the sad case of little Ella Kissi-Debrah from south London who died following an asthma attack. The post-mortem revealed the shocking state of her lungs. Her mother is now working to get air pollution accepted as a cause of her death and was recently granted a new inquest.



    Extract from UK Parliament.  Children’s Health: Vehicle Emissions - Volume 798: debated on Tuesday 11 June 2019.



    SMOG



    Some may still remember the air pollution that reduced visibility in and around cities or industrial areas: SMOG.  The term "smog" was first used in the early 1900s to describe a mix of smoke and fog.  The smoke usually came from burning coal.  However, today, most of the smog we see is photochemical smog.  Photochemical smog is produced when sunlight reacts with nitrogen oxides (See Note 1) (NOx) and at least one volatile organic compound (VOC) in the atmosphere:



    Nitrogen oxides is a product produced from car exhaust, coal power plants, and factory emissions.



    VOCs are released from gasoline, paints, and many cleaning solvents.



    When sunlight hits these chemicals, they form airborne particles and ground-level ozone—or smog.



    Ozone can be either helpful or harmful.  The ozone layer high up in the atmosphere protects us from the sun’s dangerous ultraviolet radiation.  However, ground-level Ozone is a gas which is damaging to human health and can trigger inflammation of the respiratory tract, eyes, nose and throat as well as asthma attacks.  Moreover, ozone can have adverse effects on the environment through oxidative damage to vegetation including crops.



    Montreal Protocol



    As a former associate of the Montreal Protocol Team, the UK government supported our work to stop the production on CFC.  The production of CFC ceased in 1995.  However, HCFC production will not cease for HCFC-22 until 2020 and for HCFC-123 until 2030.



    Further Background Information.  The Montreal Protocol on Substances that Deplete the Ozone Layer was first signed in 1987.  It was a landmark in environmental policy-making because it was designed on the basis of scientific evidence, to prevent rather than cure a global problem.  The Protocol controls both the production and consumption of the various ozone depleting substances.  In 1990, at the second meeting of the Parties to the Montreal Protocol in London, the 80 countries present agreed that the production and consumption of CFCs and halons should be phased out by the year 2000 in developed countries.  The London meeting also established a Multilateral Fund to provide financial assistance to developing countries to meet the cost of phase out.  The United Kingdom, along with the other members of the European Union, has implemented the Montreal Protocol through an EC Regulation, which is directly applicable in UK law.



    To build a better future and cleaner environment, the Government is correct in taking the lead, once again, with a view of reducing levels of NoX by 2030.



    1.  When nitrogen is released during fuel combustion it combines with oxygen atoms to create nitric oxide (NO).  This further combines with oxygen to create nitrogen dioxide (NO2).  Nitrogen dioxide and nitric oxide are referred to together as oxides of nitrogen (NOx).


  • in changing from pistons to electric one should consider the absolute devastating impact of mining the required raw materials.. To electrify the UK car fleet with batteries would require twice the annual world output of lithium alone. Add cobalt and the other rare earth elements and it is just not possible this way. 

    From an engineering standpoint electric is far superior but we will need a better solution than lithium cells to achieve it
  • Former Community Member
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    Two points:


    (i) The report to which you refer was published in October - the announcement to which I refer wasn't made until early December based on information that didn't start to emerge until the 29th of November!


    (ii) If you cannot visual in your minds eye just how simple it is to replace a piston and con-rod powered crankshaft with a similar crankshaft powered by electric motors, then you are going to find it very difficult to persuade anybody that you are electrical engineers.
  • So basically the Government have taxed us heavily to the tune of billions so we can reduce emissions "faster than any other G7 nation"!  Wow, talk about vanity.


    This is our hard earned income they are wasting.  The costs quoted in that report are only a part of the overall costs.
  • Coby,


    Hopefully the attached link may assist you to find the answer to your question:

    https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/928005/government-response-to-ccc-progress-report-2020.pdf


    John
  • Instead of the government wasting billions of tax payer's money on a vanity project which will achieve absolutely nothing on a global scale, any transformation should develop organically and be left to market forces which have, time after time, proved to be very efficient.
  • Former Community Member
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    'Diesel' comes under the heading of "internal combustion"!


    A 68% reduction in greenhouse gas emissions, equates to removing all of the internal combustion engines from our roads within 10 years.


    We're going to achieve this because no self respecting bike/car racer will want to ride/drive an ICE bike/car that gets out-handled every weekend by bikes/cars with an electric engine of identical power.