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Room 101 - Steam, Diesel or Electric trains?

If you had to put either steam, diesel or electric trains into ‘room 101’, which would it be and why?  ? 

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  • We do this a lot - we built the first XYZ in the world, and then say “OK that'll do” and never bother to improve it. Others then make a succession of  better ones, and we look surprised when we are overtaken.

    It is quite pleasant to be native of a country that is a living museum, but there are times it is not appropriate, and when a change is required, it is clearly not good that all the folk who originally understood  something have retired, and no-one dares change anything in case it breaks.

    mike.

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    mapj1: 
     

    Well it looks like the consensus is in luck   

    “The UK Government has announced that diesel-only trains will be phased out by 2040. Currently, 29% of the UK’s fleet is diesel and the move has been received positively by campaigners. But what does the phase-out involve? ”

    I suspect there will be a few bridges to be raised for electrics then, or trains that can accept a supply from a gapped line without hiccuping. 

    Mind you

    “42% of the UK’s network is currently electrified, putting it behind the Netherlands (76%), Italy (71%) and Spain (61%). ”

    Other sources suggest that France and Germany are both around the 50% mark

    Mike.

     

    The UK were well ahead of the rest of Europe on building railways, good at the time but as other nations caught up lessons learned and purpose built lines for electrification, most have surpassed us on electrification years ago.

    We have too many existing lines in the too hard to do box but you will find that any new line, even if its for diesel rolling stock will have provision built in for future electrification now.

     

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    Thanks for the link, Mike. I had not seen that before. It looks as though common sense may prevail after all. 


    Bill
  • The decision not to electrify that line may be being undecided soon .

    Govts and decisions eh.

    Mike.

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    I am not sure how the previous comment aligns with the Govt decision to use diesel trains on the new East - West rail line form Oxford to Cambridge. The line is not even restored yet, and diesel has been decided for the new rolling stock!

    Most people seem to prefer electric trains. It will be expensive to convert to electric after the line has opened!
  • Well it looks like the consensus is in luck   

    “The UK Government has announced that diesel-only trains will be phased out by 2040. Currently, 29% of the UK’s fleet is diesel and the move has been received positively by campaigners. But what does the phase-out involve? ”

    I suspect there will be a few bridges to be raised for electrics then, or trains that can accept a supply from a gapped line without hiccuping. 

    Mind you

    “42% of the UK’s network is currently electrified, putting it behind the Netherlands (76%), Italy (71%) and Spain (61%). ”

    Other sources suggest that France and Germany are both around the 50% mark

    Mike.

     

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    Napier Deltic. 

    I'll just leave that there. :)

    The Deltic was a great engine, but a two stroke today is very dirty in today’s terms and so could not be used on the future and the whole point of this discussion is to look forward. I think there are some ex-British destroyers sold to the third world with deltic  engines that may be still running?

    Russ

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    My finest heritage trip was behind a Class 55 Deltic Royal Highland Fusilier to Edinburgh and back down the ECML at nearly 100mph.  Far better than any steam hauled trip.

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    BR Class 88 locomotives are dual powered.  They have a pantograph for running on 25kV AC and a 950HP V12 diesel engine for when AC isn't available.

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    Napier Deltic. 

    I'll just leave that there. :)