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Severe Tinnitus Following the Installation of New Electricity Meters

Since new gas and electricity meters were installed in my house on 9 February 2022, I have had a very serious problem with tinnitus. I also have had a feeling of strong pressure on my eardrums. Let me say straight away that this is nothing to do with smart meter communications; the hub responsible for mobile and Wi-Fi signals was removed one week after the meters were installed as a final attempt by the energy company to solve the problem. Various engineers I’ve been in contact with over this matter suspect the problem is most likely to be a switched-mode power supply or capacitors associated with it. I would like to know more about how such a device upset my health to the point that I do not feel it is safe to live in my own home. The energy company have refused to carry out any further work to investigate the issue and state that their meters meet all the current standards and are therefore safe.

I did not have any problems with the traditional analogue meters previously installed. I should add that I’ve been in houses that have smart electricity meters of various types and only in one of those houses do I feel my tinnitus tone is being amplified and none result in any pressure feelings on my eardrums. The first meter, a Landis+Gyr E470 was replaced with a Kaifa MA120 five days after complaining to my energy company. The Landis+Gyr meter was unbearable to live with any longer than that. The Kaifa model has seen me leave home twice for respite despite discovering on how to dampen down the tinnitus and greatly reduce the pressure feeling on my eardrums. The Kaifa makes an awful little noise which if I could hear that while in the living room, I could understand why my ears are being irritated. The Landis+Gyr also made a similar noise but a little quieter. However, should such devices make any audible noise at all? Some people don’t have the ability to hide these away in cupboards. I can hear the Kaifa meter 2 to 3 metres away with the cupboard door open where it is installed. A short recording of the continuous noise it makes can be heard in the following mp3 file:

My tinnitus grew into a significant problem within 24 hours of the Landis+Gyr meter being installed. I’ve had tinnitus in the past and was cautious to blame the new gas and electric meters at first, but I soon noticed this was very different to previous bouts of tinnitus: I found the affect would wane when away from the house and be amplified back to ‘horribly irritating’ upon return. The pressure feeling on my eardrums 'throbbed away' as soon as I got a short distance away from my house, it too would come back very quickly upon returning inside. When the Landis+Gyr meter was shutdown for replacement, it was an hour before the Kaifa meter was switched on. That is the only time I’ve been in the house since the new meters were installed on 9 February that my ears have felt calm, albeit the tinnitus tone only very slowly fades away. Unfortunately that short period of time was to end with a shock when the Kaifa was powered on; I felt a short burst of pain in both ears making me flinch in my seat. I was not watching what the fitter was doing and had to ask him what had just happened. He stated he had just powered up the meter with the distribution board still switched off. I’m horrified that simply turning on the meter could cause me pain, not to mention the fact the tinnitus and pressure feeling came back with this new meter.

With the aid of a friend who is also has a background in electrical and electronic engineering, I made the discovery that the effects of the meter can be reduced by turning off electrical devices plugged into the mains supply and found by turning off the ring main supplying the bedroom overnight, I could achieve better sleep, albeit still not adequate. Suspicion then was that the meter was emitting something being carried around the house via the mains cabling as opposed to just emitting something from itself. I requested help from the local power distribution company who sent out an engineer to check for electromagnetic fields. No unusually strong fields were found, however the engineer said he could perceive a high pitch tone and a bit of pressure on his eardrums. So far the only other person to sense something of what I am experiencing and I at least do not feel alone any more. He asked me to try powering down electrical equipment before turning the distribution board off and we both felt a relief from the pressure as soon as I turned off the television and surround sound system. The surround sound system along with most other audio equipment are now unplugged and the sense of pressure on my eardrums is much less noticeable. The engineer mentioned that tantalum capacitors and switched-mode power supplies can be a source of noise at frequencies in the audible range if they are defective or inadequately filtered.

Unfortunately the tinnitus tone has been gaining strength recently worsening my sleep down to just 2 hours a night. Hence I have had to leave my house again for respite, immediately achieving nearly 7 hours sleep on my first night away despite the tone having hardly subsided. I have used a tone generator to match the tinnitus at 14kHz. Sound analyser applications on my smart phone don’t show anything unusual at this frequency, but there is some low frequency noise below 100Hz and high frequency noise around 20kHz. Both are at low volumes, albeit I hardly think the microphone on a smart phone can be trusted at these low and high frequencies. However, what is interesting is that noise in the 17kHz to 21kHz range is hardly present when I am in other houses with smart meters where my tinnitus is not amplified and it is present in the only other house I know where my tinnitus is amplified. It could be a red herring, but there must be strange harmonics involved one way or another.

I’ve spent a great deal of time researching the Internet trying to find out about the problems with tinnitus and smart meters. I find people reporting life affecting tinnitus within two days of having smart meters fitted and then the forum responses where they posted concentrate on the arguments about Wi-Fi and mobile phone signals, neither of which apply here and then they soon degenerate into conspiracy theories about smart meters. (I’d have been very disturbed by tinnitus for the last 20 years if I had any sensitivity to radiation from mobile phones and Wi-Fi routers.) I’ve been in touch with the British Tinnitus Association and they have confirmed my case is “not without precedent”. I’ve had an email discussion with a specialist audiologist who states that the link between electrical apparatus and tinnitus is not scientifically proven but it is known some people can be hyper-sensitive. I’ve not knowingly been sensitive to any electrical devices in the past. I've had a hearing test which proves my hearing in the normal range is very good for my age, just some mild loss in the 7kHz to 8kHz range. The tone generators I used to match my tinnitus show I can hear tones up to around 15kHz, subject to the quality of these tone generator apps, websites and speakers within my smart phone and attached to my computer.

Maybe the arguments over smart meters and health problems have been clouded by the debate on Wi-Fi and mobile phone signals rather than the quality of the electronics in these meters. The electronics engineers who have pointed out the problem is likely to be the switched-mode power supply or capacitors within the electricity meter have done so independently, based in three different countries, which proves to me there is some concern about these components which obviously are in lots more devices than just meters. There is a difference though: I have two devices which have power supplies, almost certainly switched-mode, that make audible noises, but these can be turned off and would be replaced if I suspected they were causing any health concerns. The electricity meter is not something that can be turned off and replaced by the householder, it has to be changed by the energy company and any interference with it is illegal. I’m currently left in a position where I am reporting health effects coincident with the meters being fitted, locational to my house, affected by household electrical equipment and I'm so afflicted I am renting accommodation at some expense away from home, but being told by the company they are not going to do anything about it. They asked me switch company if I wanted the meter changing again and issued me with a deadlock letter so that I could take my case to the Energy Ombudsman as the only alternative. Either takes more weeks than I would like to contemplate, I've suffered more than enough already.

As switching energy companies at the current time is very difficult and very expensive without having to make the unusual request to remove a virtually new meter, I have started a complaint with the Ombudsman and I need to supply them with as much evidence as possible to prove the electricity meter is causing my health problem. There does not appear to be anyway of enabling the meter to be replaced as a matter of urgency given all my personal evidence as described above. If anyone can provide any advice or evidence that the quality of these meters can result in problems like I am experiencing I would be very grateful indeed. If anyone is researching in this area I would be very happy to help them with my experience, I do not fancy a future where such tinnitus inducing devices are common to every home.

  • I get the same effect with the mother-in-law's fox repellers either side of her driveway. Upon arriving I suffer a hideous high pitch noise which is not too different from the 14kHz tinnitus tone I am now suffering. That's why I suspected some sort of ultrasonic emission by the meter(s) initially being the cause, it still may be a part in what is causing all my problems.

    Moving away from the fox repellers soon stops them and the tone in my ears thank goodness, so that is not a tinnitus inducement for me, but I am glad I don't have to suffer their horrible high pitch tone for long. The tone is painful, potentially leading to tinnitus with longer exposure and I certainly don't like such things being put in the enviroment.

  • I think you may have upset a lot of Swedes now. There's other countries in the process of following suit, they wouldn't without good evidence. It has been debated in the UK Parliament. Here's a link to the Hansard record of a debate in 2019 directly to a statement by an MP that mentions an experience of smart meters being removed improving a couple's health: Electromagnetic Fields: Health Effects - Statement by David Drew  You can see that the debate features heavily on concern about 5G, which is why the low frequency problems are often overlooked and do not get the research they deserve. Don't forget that the current ICNIRP Guidance on low frequencies states: "When people are exposed to LF fields, electric fields and currents are generated inside the body and they can interfere with the body’s own electric fields and current flows related to normal biological functioning." There're groups campaigning to have this guidance tightened up citing lots of evidence of previous scientific research.

    There's no amount of CBT that would have worked for me on Wednesday last week when I was suffering terrible head pains and then again on Saturday soon after I returned back to the house, up until leaving again on Sunday afternoon. I am now back home and yet those nasty head pains are gone and so has the Emlite meter. It was replaced with a Kaifa MA120 yesterday morning. Yes the same type of Kaifa meter is back which I tried so hard to get changed for four and a half months. It was the best choice available (L+G E470 the other) to replace the Emlite swiftly and it has been the least worst of the digital meters installed so far. I wasn't comfortable accepting having one put back in and it's not comfortable to live with either, but it is a significant improvement upon the Emlite. I can also tell you that the harsh sensations I felt with the Emlite were greatly relieved (not totally) as soon as my wife turned off the electricity at the distribution board. I could sense the difference stood outside the door. I am having a medical consultation with a specialist about those head pains in the near future. I hope that this will be a start to acquiring some direct medical knowledge into exactly what is happening to me.

    Anyway, thank you for your opinions, but before you go, as previously requested and in accordance with your own wish not to make any hint of diagnosis in a public forum; please kindly withdraw your flawed diagnosis of me. Unless that is, you can answer each of those ten questions that I set out yesterday ( RE: Severe Tinnitus Following the Installation of New Electricity Meters ), backed up with pschological science, in such a way that it leaves me and the public in no doubt that it is all a psychological affair after all.

  • It is all simple logic and well-established

    And to me dangerously self-confident. How sure are you that this meter is not radiating an uncomfortable level of ultrasound  or introducing a rapidly varying impedance onto the wiring that causes other items with internal SMPS to do so?  If you call (or even 'mislabel') it  as 'tinnitus' or 'high frequency  hearing' does not alter that it is certainly possible. And we do know we can use ultrasound as  discomfort weapon, not just against cats and so forth.
    Mike.

  •  You are astonishingly confident about matters you manifestly know little or nothing about.

  • Indeed - there is an assumption by folk who can not that all human hearing stops at 15-20kHz. It is not really true, despite all the environmental  and occupational exposure standards assuming that it does. I know a lot of youngsters can hear significantly above 20k, some to 25k, and some a good way beyond that. Cat repellents can be as low as 19K and up to 30k. Most cats do not respond to much above 30k, dogs stop looking up at more like 50k.

    For folk who do hear 25k, it can still be very sensitive - detecting a pulsed source  on or off can be  close  (within 6dB) to the 'pin drop at 1m' sort of sensitivity for "normal" audio, where 0dBA is ~ 0.00002 Pa RMS or a power density of ~ 1e-12 watts/m2.

    (some of us have lost our high end hearing these days but it is fun to send morse to the scouts with a buzzer neither I nor the other leaders can hear and watch some of them copy it perfectly at the far end of the hall. I have to use a batphone to hetrodyne it down to something more sensible if I want to hear it for myself though )
    Mike

  • Therapy for which lies in the psychological domain.

    Where do you get that? 

    Because if the tinnitus is causing distress, the patient's mindset needs to be adjusted so that the tinnitus is no longer troublesome. If the tinnitus is not causing distress, there is no requirement for treatment. It is all simple logic and well-established.

  • There are people who have researched for years and voiced concern over EHS and it still is not a recognised problem in most countries.

    That is because not only is there no good evidence that it exists, but there is evidence that it does not. The OP sought opinions and I have given mine in good faith. I fear that it is impossible to do more.

  • I am not going to get drawn into any hint of diagnosis or giving advice in a forum, especially a public one.

    Then please kindly withdraw your very public diagnosis of me.

    Tinnitus can be caused by a multitude of things not just psychological problems. I made it quite clear I have suffered a misdiagnosis of psychological tinnitus in the past which could have been ruiness had I carried out the remedy prescribed. It would not of stopped me suffering tinnitus either. The first step to recovery is to remove the source or get away from the source. It's my house, it should be the source not me that has to leave it.

    I fully accept that your symptoms are real, but in legal terms, the burden of proof rests with you to demonstrate that the meter(s) is (are) responsible.

    I made it clear in my opening post that I wanted to achieve from this discussion: Helpful advice and to offer help with any research going in into the apparent EHS symptoms I am suffering with the goal that the problem is traced. Placing the burden of legal responsibility being put on the person who is being made ill sums up a lot about the expectations various people have placed on me. I'm doing my best but I have limited time, energy, resources and expertise, particularly medically. There are people who have researched for years and voiced concern over EHS and it still is not a recognised problem in most countries. (Sweden has.)

  • I noted

    So your claim that AR's tinnitus is a mental disorder is a pretty strong claim, something not supported by WHO classifications.

    and you responded

    Not at all. Let's look at ICD11

    Yes, let us look indeed. But rather more carefully than you did.

    First, MC41 is in Chapter 21. The mental disorders are in Chapter 6. What I said is exactly right, and your contradiction of that is yet more bunkum.

    Second, MC41 is not the only place in which tinnitus is classified. It is also classified in SC75, W11 and SD21.

    Therapy for which lies in the psychological domain.

    Where do you get that? 

  • For "medically explained" read "scientifically explained", or "engineeringly explained".

    I fully accept that your symptoms are real, but in legal terms, the burden of proof rests with you to demonstrate that the meter(s) is (are) responsible.

    I am not going to get drawn into any hint of diagnosis or giving advice in a forum, especially a public one. I have simply stated the science.

    Whether or not to accept the science, and what weight to give to various published articles is an individual decision.