Solar Energy Systems installation UK - lack of skills

As I researched Solar Energy systems for over a year now I discovered how little I understood the dangerous realities of Solar installations even though powered at ELV level <50Vdc.  The difference being that you are dealing with a constant current of 50 - 100's A dc.  Average Joe, maybe used to Auto/Truck 12/24Vdc  systems probably sees the system as safe - you dont get a shock (boat owners will disagree).  So the hazards of installing a dc distribution system  within a domestic house and the potential to cause disastrous fires are totally underestimated.  Even the average tradesman electrician will not have sufficient training in such matters in his CPD scheme.

To make matters worse, as a result of a question by a neighbour who want to suggest to his lad that he follow an Electrician apprenticeship, I discovered that my area (SE UK) has no regular Technical College Route pursuing CnG courses.  Apprenticeships are very rare and as a rule focus on training junior managers. 

In short, a young person cannot readily find his way in to becoming and electrical tradesman ( I have to make a distinction between the concept of a Technician here)

When you aggregate the complete installation identifying all physical components, the SLD suddenly becomes quite complex.  ie Going from Panel Arrays > optomisers > cables > marshalling boxes > Fuse links > Isolators > Master Circuit Breaker > Inverter (s) > Battery Bank > Domestic Consumer Unit > Grid resale meter > Master Isolator > standby generator > Auto Transfer Switch, Control and monitoring systems, Emergency shutdown scheme.

When you seen the numerous wannabee hopefuls going offgrid and often their lack of formal technical training they dont realise how dangerous their rough and ready installation is

I can post links to many sources of my concern here if there is sufficient interest

Robin 

  • Well Alan that sums up our typical bureaucratic incompetence we've come to expect. Armchair diktats from faceless mandarins.

    IMHO if you can at all then instal ground level panels.  There are numerous horror stories of roof panels - gggle and yt for info.  Tip to consider as its new build, install a cat walk tray on your roof ridge and make it accessible from a gable end by ladder. Its and unobtrusive convenience for maintenance which you will need.

    Wire each panel with its own cable thru ridge into loft space and route to a marshalling cabinet and maybe use panel optomisers. You avoid the dubious MC4 connectors (use barrel but splice ferrules and heat shrink apply si grease around metal then a 50mm length of 4:1 adhesive sleeves - these make a water resistant cover

    Beware of fake Solar cable (4mm2 solar as 6mm2 solar)

    Are you sure your location and insolation (sunshine hours) can justify the full expense of a solar system - capex vs payback time (10yrs +).  Dont believe Solar cowboy calcs. Octopus are just a shed load of accountants check very carefully TnC.  How much energy do you expect to export? Is it really worth it, store your excess as hot water or underfloor heating.  This Solar thing in Scotland has to be one of those political panjandrums  BEWARE

  • However, SEG and export are not worth the aggravation for the payback these days

    I tried doing some rough example calculations.  Say you average 2kW export for 6 hours a day.  Sign up with a supplier who offers £0.15/kWh.  That's about £657 per year.

    The panels could pay for themselves in 10 years.

  • (use barrel but splice ferrules and heat shrink apply si grease around metal then a 50mm length of 4:1 adhesive sleeves - these make a water resistant cover

    Are you sure such an arrangement would meet BS 7671 requirements for joints (526.5)?

       - Andy.

  • The panels could pay for themselves in 10 years.

    Have you amortised the total cost of installation inc wiring switchgear inverter (fails in 5 years maybe) panels need replacing etc?  Batteries?

  • Are you sure such an arrangement would meet BS 7671 requirements for joints (526.5)?

    I cant justify purchase of IEE regs plus add plus the user manual, not a practising designer anymore

    can you quote the relevant excerpt 526.5 that outlaws crimped joints?

  • OBTW what I meant was "paraphrase" the relevant passage (mustnt violate copyright), but explaining/discussing an extract is ok

  • can you quote the relevant excerpt 526.5 that outlaws crimped joints?

    It wasn't the crimp I was alluding to, but the method of enclosure...

    526.5 Every termination and joint of a live conductor or a PEN conductor shall be made within one of the following or a combination thereof:

    (i) A suitable accessory complying with the appropriate product standard

    (ii)An equipment enclosure complying with the appropriate product standard

    (iii) An enclosure partially formed or completed with building material which is non-combustible when tested to BS 476-4.

    which a bit of heatshrink doesn't obviously meet, if used on its own to extend tails to reach your marshalling boxes.

       - Andy.

  • (mustnt violate copyright)

    I think we're OK with small extracts for the purpose of academic discussions Relaxed

      - Andy.

  • Surely this doesnt apply to ELV <50V systems?  You refer to heatshrink protection.  Some of the quality products seem to be very well suited to outdoors UV resistant, adhesive forms a sealed clamp on a round sheath.  I would put additional coat of Si grease on the metal parts of the barrel and around wire strands after crimping and use a 50mm length sleeve - seems belt and braces to me.  But then electrolytic corrosion can only occur with a positive and negative splice being close together in the event of a moisture path - seems remote risk.  You dont see auto wiring harnesses suffer unless in extreme circumstances.

  • Have you amortised the total cost of installation inc wiring switchgear inverter (fails in 5 years maybe) panels need replacing etc?  Batteries?

    Panels should have a warranty of 20 - 25 years.  Inverters these days tend to come with a 10 warranty, or more.  I assumed no battery.