Electric Vehicle 12V Battery Failures

What is the problem with the common automotive 12V lead acid battery, or is the problem poor software systems that won’t black start?

https://www.fleetnews.co.uk/news/electric-van-12-volt-battery-issues-persist-says-afp

“The fundamental problem here is that when an electric van is left unused for a couple of weeks, the 12-volt battery charges down and it becomes impossible to start or recharge the vehicle,” explained Paul Hollick, AFP chair.

“There is no choice but to return it to the franchise dealer and even then, it can often take weeks to resolve the problem.”

I am not aware of IC engine vehicles, even the most modern and complex suffering from these problems.

I know that ‘maintenance free’ lead acid batteries are prone to sudden failures rather than the graceful degradation of older style where cold morning starting would get more difficult but this appears to be to much standing load, possibly from the support systems for the main EV battery.

  • So it is all about the software:

    "The partnership will give VW immediate access to Rivian's software allowing the German car maker to use it in its cars."

    German car maker VW to invest up to $5bn in Tesla rival Rivian (bbc.com)

  • Which may or may not help them depending how much architecture specific code there is and how aligned their architectures are.

    Embedded isn't an IT solution, there is always a little specific code around in the name of performance and efficiency. Generally, abstraction layers are used to aid portability, but some functions will depend on the underlying hardware. The worst case is if they are using different network management concepts, OSEK vs AutoSAR or even based around different networking technologies.

  • Hello Roger:

    You may have hit the reason why my experience with battery life is shorter than other members. The batteries we have in the US are all "maintenance free" versions (where one does not need to add distilled water). We haven't had the other type for maybe 40+ years.

    Sudden Battery death is just that the power is not enough to start the car (just clicks) . I use a battery charger for a few hours to get it started, so I can get to the store and get a new one put in (after saving the codes first).

    Peter Brooks

    Palm Bay  

  • I have never seen a Rivian EV on our US local roads - maybe that is why they have never made a quarterly profit. 

    Peter Brooks

    Palm Bay

  • No, ours are all maintenance free as well. I've not topped up a battery in a very long time.

  • I still have an unopened tube of Bat-Aid tablets, but I have not been able to open a battery to use them for many years.

    https://granvilleoil.com/prodInfo?pID=3

    Topping up with water and adding a Bat-Aid tablet, then slowly charging the battery used to work wonders.

  • for the cheapskates among us , a tea spoonful of Glaubers Salts -  sodium sulphate, would work as a pick up to lower the internal resistance a bit, though I see from your link that the tabs also have Epson salts - magnesium sulphate, as well.

    Probably joining the spare needles for the Gramophone on the shelf of "have not sold any for years" .

    Mike.

  • Are you old enough to remember the con game of making petoil (gasoline) out of tap water by adding just a small pill?

    The UK con involved a car with two tanks - one empty where the water/pill mixture was put in and another with real gasoline to show that the car then worked.

    Peter Brooks

    Palm Bay 

  • It's my understanding that old used 78 rpm records can still be obtained in antique stores over here! 

    Peter Brooks

    Palm Bay