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RCD Duty Category for ground source heat pump drive

I have been tasked with the provision of suitable electrical supply for a Nibe F1155 ground source heat pump unit and have some queries which I hope you may be able to answer.


The installation installer has requested a single phase 40A supply protected by a Type C mcb which I am fine with.


The problem arises with RCD protection. The incoming electrical supply is a TT arrangement (overhead line with no earthing facility provided by the supply company) and the means of earthing is via an earth electrode buried in the ground. BS7671 requires that all sub circuits originating from such an arrangement shall be protected by a 30ma RCD due to the high earth fault loop resistance associated with a TT electrical supplies.


So, to meet the requirement I must fit 30 ma RCD protection. I am led to understand that the unit employs an inverter arrangement to drive the pump/compressor motors.  As you are most likely aware, inverters/vfds can cause tripping problems with conventional domestic Type A RCDs. My query is what would you recommend? I am led to understand that a Type B or Type F RCD unit may be more suitable but the cost of this item is significantly more than that of a conventional double pole Type A/C RCD.


Also, I don't 'do' many TT Supplies and just want to run this past you -


Installation will go from single phase TT to 3 phase metered TT, with the existing phase feeding the rest of the house and with a different phase dedicated only to the heat pump installation.


I intend to fit a 100A Wylex switch fuse with a 60A fuse, and feed this with 16mm meter tails and earth directly from the supply company's isolator..

From the switch fuse a 3 core 10mm SWA goes to the heat pump room where it will be terminated into a 4 way metalclad cu.

This cu will feed a lighting cct via a 6A rcbo, a double socket via a 16A rcbo, and a back-up 3kw immersion heater for the heat pump via a 16A 30ma rcbo.

There will also be a 40A type C mcb which will feed the heat pump isolator in 10mm tails. I will need to incorporate the correct RCD into the tails somewhere before the heat pump but I can do that with a separate 2 way metal enclosure, most likely adjoined to the side of the cu with a conduit coupler.

Now, I need to earth this lot together. There is presently a single earth rod outside for the rest of the installation. Can I connect to this? Or Should I install a separate earth rod for the new supply from a different phase?

Also, I intend to earth the armour of the SWA at both ends and use the third core as a cpc - is this ok with a TT supply?


As I said, I am quite rusty on TT supplies because I usually get them PME'd when I find them, but this is not possible here because the supply is end-of-line and the phase -neutral loop impedance is too high (0.42 ohms) Western Power said yesterday that they would have to upgrade the cable before a PME solution could be provided and I can't see that happening any time soon.

So, having just received 2 quotes for a 2 pole 63A Type BX RCD, one came in at £270+VAT for a Doepke item and £470-odd+VAT for a ABB one.


The specs given indicate a total load of 12KW which is around 50-odd amps.

This includes 4KW for a built-in immersion heater within the pump unit.

There'll also be a back-up immersion heater & cylinder which will take another 3KW.

Since this lot will be off a different phase I don't see a supply capacity problem.

That said, Western Power downrated the cut-out fuses yesterday when they came to change the old knackered cut-outs on account of the high loop impedance value - too high to put back the old 100A ones they said.


Just had a response from Nibe themselves -


"The RCD's fitted with these units are usually type A, B & F, the important thing is that they state they are compatible with non-linear loads or inverter driven products."


Comments gents?

How much of a real-world problem is this when a conventional RCD with a Type A/C duty rating is employed on such applications? I know the regs state that you must follow the equipment manufacterer's instructions, but I have discussed this issue with other contractors and none have ever fitted a specialist RCD for such applications, even my wholesalers don't stock them and had to look up exactly what they were before they could quote.
  • Well she fired up ok. Water heater kickjed in first, then compressor kicked in about 4 hours later with no problems.

    Ended up fitting a Type S 100ma at the tails end and a Type B for the heat pump. All ok so far.
  • Morning.

    Nibe never gave any leakage figure for their kit, they just said 'we recommend Type B breakers for the F1155' and it is Class 1.

    SPDs? Don't think one will be fitted. To be honest I have not even cosndered one, let alone researched which type.

    Managed to get a Type B RCD for a sub £200 price yesterday. Chint do them in their NL210 range.

    Hoping it arrives on time for the commissioning date!!
  • Presumably the next challenge is working out how to fit SPDs into all this too...

      - Andy.
  • It's not so much the non-linearity of the load as the leakage current (typically due to the filters) - to comply with the 18th (531.3.2) you can't design for more than 30% leakage - so that sets a limit of 9mA for a 30mA RCD - which perhaps isn't a lot for a large stationary appliance with lots of power electronics.

        - Andy.
  • I would hope that a Type B 30ma would not nuisance trip since it should be designed to work with non linear loads?

  • I am assuming that this needs to be 30ma rated?



    Not necessarily (presuming no soft cables concealed in walls, fed by an ordinary socket, shared with a domestic lighting circuit or in a bathroom).  30mA might be a convenient choice if you want to discriminate with an upstream 100mA S-type - or you might find a 30mA unit it nuisance trips (depending on what the heat pump's leakage current is like - hopefully the manufacturer should be able to advise). A (non-delayed) 100mA for the heat pump and a 300mA (or even 500mA) S-type for the submain might be another option.

      - Andy.
  • So at long last a reply from Nibe.

    We do need to fit a Type B RCD after all. I am assuming that this needs to be 30ma rated?

    Best price so far is around £270+VAT. Worst is double that for the same item from the same manufacturer - thanks Rexel!!

    Now, I have already fitted a consumer unit with a 30ma RCD main switch.

    The SWA sub main comes into this from a 60A switched fuse isolator.

    From the incoming (live) side of the consumer unit RCD main switch, I have run 3 x 10mm tails via a M25 coupler to a small 4 way cu with a C40A mcb but with no incomer.

    My plan was to fit the Type B RCD into this 2nd consumer unit as a main switch to provide protection for the heat pump directly.

    This just leaves me with the quandary as to how to protect the submain at the supply end.

    Given that we are still TT supplied, could I still use a RCD in the tails from the supplier's meter/isolator which feed my metalclad 60A switch fuse?

    If so, what kind?

    God I hate TT supplies!
  • That consumer unit arrangement was generally considered okay at the time of installation, despite there not being RCD protection on the internal tails to the RCDs from the main switch.
  • Had a firm and frank exchange of views with the heating installer rep on Friday. Apparently they have never experienced a problem with RCDs on heat pumps. This made me wonder how many heat pump installations are sitting out there with Type A/C RCDs which cannot 'see' any latent faults due to them being 'blinded' by the D.C. given off by the heat pump inverters.


    The problem is not that they 'nuisance trip', it's that they won't trip at all.


    Still nothing more from Nibe. Everything else is waiting for their input.


    Also, I took a look at the original mains set-up for the rest of the house. It was rewired in 2011 and there isn't a 100ma Type S in sight. Tails go straight to a Domae plastic 16 way double 30ma  RCD cu
  • But not a Type AC.


    You won't get any discrimination between a 30 and 100 mA RCD unless the 100 mA is time delayed, which I don't think you will be able to get as anything other than a Type AC. 


    Keep pressing Nibe to confirm it's okay to use a Type A RCD and go from there if they confirm they are.


    If Nibe aren't professional enough to provide the required information I'd be tempted to turn the job down  unless it is a regular customer and they are prepared to pay a extra five hundred odd quid, possibly without any justification. 


    Andy