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Tap position VS Impedance

Anyone has a short article to share with some numbers on how to calculate % impedance at different transformer taps?


Thanks,

Mike
  • I have no link to a ready to go article I'm afraid, but to some extent you can see what to expect by considering the following

    The percentage impedance of a transformer is the volt drop on full load due to the vector sum of the winding resistance and leakage reactance, expressed as a percentage of the total voltage.


    So, if one shifts the secondary taps by 10%, although the voltage shifts by 10%, so does the length of wire in the winding - so the winding resistance also changes, and to a first order, there is no great change in the percentage impedance. To second order there is some effect, as although winding resistance is linear with no of turns, self inductance is not.


    Note that if it was a primary side tap that was shifted, then the effect would be a little stronger  than pro-rata with the voltage change , as then the volts per turn are changing, rather than the no of secondary turns. In that case,  when the volts per turn rise (shortening of primary winding) at the same time both the primary coil resistance and reactance are falling - the copper losses in a transformer are minimised if the magnetic core is made to work hard,  (more volts per turn) however magnetic (iron) loss is maximised in that case, so there is a soft trade-off.



    If you need to measure percentage impedance, it is worth realising that  the % impedance  is also the fraction of the normal terminal voltage  to cause the full-load current to flow under short circuit conditions (*), and this is an easier test of the copper losses in transformer, as no big dummy loads are needed, as only the loss power, not the load power, needs to be provided. A variable power supply is needed (and for testing 11kV to 400V transformers, the 400V LV mains is about 4%, so mains powered  variacs up to about 125% of normal mains voltage make a good test rig, ) and then only a few kW are required to test transformers that may be in service up to megawatt levels. The magnetic losses can also be tested, separately, by running the transformer at full terminal voltage (energising from either primary or secondary side) but with no load.



    (*) In other words, percentage impedance of a transformer is the percentage of the rated voltage applied at the primary winding  to circulate rated current in the secondary winding when the output terminals are shorted.


    hope this helps.



    PS


    Note that distribution transformers with adjustable tappings normally have them on the LV side, where the effect on Z% is small

    Primary tappings are more normally encountered on the mains side of equipment designed to be sold in more than one country, and selecting the wrong one either has a devastating effect, if the magnetic core saturates and a destructive current flows, or with the error in the other direction, greatly reduces the max load the transfomer can supply.


     


  • Thanks Mike.


    The reason behind my question is that i am looking into specifying a transformer which happens to be 11kV/433V. I understand that the normal LV voltage for the UK is 400/230. So i am looking into shifting the taps. 


    I would like to calculate how much the impedance changes and perhaps relate this with the overall permitted Volt Drop in the private consumer installation for a private supply in accordance with the wiring regs at full load.


    Priority here is the impedance calculation as it has a direct effect on the fault levels. Part of the installation is existing and I need to examine the impact.


    Thanks,

    Mike
  • The transformer impedance will indeed affect the fault levels, but it won't vary very much,  3 % to 5% is the right sort of range unless the transformer is very large or very small, and for a given maker and kVA that figure will change by  zero point something of a % with tap shifting you will need, which will be 10% at most, probably less, and with any significant distance, the impedance quickly becomes dominated by the cables on the LV side.

    Do not overlook the value of a 'death or glory' fuse as the first line of protection, limiting the energy that reaches your expensive switch gear and breakers during  dead short, and maybe allowing them to be a bit smaller.

    Also you may find the fault current is slightly reduced  by the impedance on the 11kV side - clearly to assume an infinite PSSC  (usually expressed as so many MVA of fault level, we do seem to love mixed units) is the safest assumption,  but not always a realistic one, and may be the difference between one size and the next one down.

  • The reason behind my question is that i am looking into specifying a transformer which happens to be 11kV/433V. I understand that the normal LV voltage for the UK is 400/230. So i am looking into shifting the taps. 



    433V at the transformer probably isn't unusual for a UK setup. The UK supply standard is nominal within a -6% to +10% range - i.e. between 216.2V and 253V L-N.


    433V L-L comes it at about 250V L-N and so is within the acceptable UK range - and allows for some voltage drop in the LV supply lines (which may or may not be useful depending on how far from the transformer your loads are).


      -  Andy.
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    Just a minor point, but the tap changer acts invariably on the HV side winding (and for this voltage transformation, will be off load or off circuit changing).


    First question is "Why pick a 11/0.433 kV unit if you don't want one" - you can select the transformer you actually need - so for example a 419V secondary (at no load) and 6% impedance would be pretty typical for a nominal 400V supply characteristic. 433V secondary are a typical power distribution spec for DNO ENATS Transformers (where the first consumer may be some distance from the transformer)


    Going back to the change in impedance - it will be generally very, very small - the transformer will be designed to assist with this. You can get the specific changes from the transformer data sheet (once you've selected it). However, as Mike indicated, the change normally falls into the uncertainty bucket of your model - if you need the third decimal place, then get it measured.


    Regards


    OMS


  • Thanks Mike. Indeed a tap change of 2.5% or even 5% is not going to be felt much by the installation and as you already mentioned the impedance will be dominated by the cables at some point. Its just i wanted to have the answer of the question lands from the client.


    Andy, I am cautious as the transformer is private with the closest DB like 15m from the main switchboard. A bump on the 11kV like 6% which is i believe within the DNO fluctuation limits results at a 456V LL which is pretty high. This is a good 14% over 400V.
  • OMS, I have had a 415V transformer previously, however it is far more better to have a design package which includes for some custom made parts from a specific manufacturer rather than 2-3 different providers with a nightmare of coordination and discussions with them, i just know it wont work.


    Surprisingly the 433V transformer is also a bit smaller which helps with the transformer room clearances which are already a problem.
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    MG:

    OMS, I have had a 415V transformer previously, however it is far more better to have a design package which includes for some custom made parts from a specific manufacturer rather than 2-3 different providers with a nightmare of coordination and discussions with them, i just know it wont work.


    Surprisingly the 433V transformer is also a bit smaller which helps with the transformer room clearances which are already a problem.




     

    I'm not sure I follow the logic here, Mike - far more better, how ?


    A 433 secondary is a specific transformer developed for the power distribution sector (as I mentioned, ENATS usually). If you want a "euro" transformer, then that's usually also an off the shelf unit (typically offered as 415V to 420V). With a 6% impedance unit you have manageable fault levels and a full load voltage depression of circa 25 volts - which puts you around 390Volts at the source "terminals" under full load amps.


    If you want an example, I'm looking into what may be a design claim against a consultant who specified 433V Units for a manufacturing facility. Much of the equipment derives from Germany, and is stated at 220V - it is also equipped with over voltage shut off  - guess what, under low load conditions the machines are tripping on over voltage - a lot of "product" is being lost, and the owners want to know why they don't have a system that works with their machines.


    Nothing wrong with specifying 433V secondary by the way, it just seemed a curious (to me) approach if you intend to tap down anyway


    Regards


    OMS





  • Just a minor point, but the tap changer acts invariably on the HV side winding (and for this voltage transformation, will be off load or off circuit changing).




    Apologies - it seems my earlier post was incorrect, OMS deals with more of this HV stuff  for his day job, I have met such things but occasionally, so he will be better informed.

    Note then the impedance will vary a bit as the tap changes, but even so only at the 5 % of 5% sort of level. (you cannot alter the volts per turn much, or the core losses go out of whack)


    (However, 1960 era transformers with manually bolted taps can be found on the LV side, as at the University they were just that. Equally that transformer caught fire in 1995 apparently, so maybe that is an obsolete way of doing it or it was a  special design for that installation - perhaps physics depts just have some funny requirements)


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    Sure thing - but for a "small" distribution transformer, the cost in playing around with the tapping's on the LV side (which carries the much higher current) is usually just not worth it in comparison to dealing with the much smaller currents on the HV side (all things considered)


    The HV taps could be "tap changers" or even a basic set of reconfigurable links (my comment above about off load compared to off circuit)


    I've come across the strangest arrangements in university physics labs ranging from rotary phase convertors and transformers with very strange output voltages to large DC distribution arrangements - and sonme of the most unbelievable technical and scientific earthing ever imagined. And that's before the various Phd students get to playing around with stuff to suit their particular experiments.


    I once had to relocate a mass spectrometer which had started life somewhere over the pond  - so you'd expect 60Hz and say 480V. After several iterations this thing had more giddling pins and fufu valves attached to it all operating at a variety of supply characteristics,  it would have made Heath Robinson look like a modern manufacturing capability.


    Regards


    OMS