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Tripping RCD in different property - builders say it's due to hairdryers...

Former Community Member
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HI everyone


Hope you've  had a good week. Had a call from a client at the end of today. For the last 6 weeks (not sure why he left it so long to call) the RCD for his tenants property has been tripping while the builders are working on the ground floor flat (GFF). The set up is a bit odd. Converted to flats probably in the 80's. Main head has 2 x 60A fuses and is TNCS. Each flat has its own switched isolator, then 16mm T and E to the respective CU's. The GFF still has a 60A rewardable fuse in the isolator. The first floor flat  (FFF) switched isolator (my clients) has been 'upgraded' to a 100mA time delay RCD and switch, presumably someone thought this would give protection to the buried supply cable. This is what is now tripping. Both boards now have RCBO's. Before the recent building work, the ground floor one didn't.


The builders apparently turn off the main switch of the GFF CU each night and at the weekend. When it's off, the 100mA RCD doesn't trip. Neither my client nor his tenants have witnessed the tripping, but have come home after work to find it's tripped OR that there has been a power loss (eg clocks need resetting) so the builder must be resetting it. Builder seems to think the issue is EITHER loss of power from the street (in which case he'd loose power as well, but he's not reported it) or that the tenants hairdryers are causing the 100mA RCD to trip but only after they've gone to work! Hmm. He's not said explicitly that he's rest the RCD but he must have (unless its a special self resetting one that I don't know about)


I just popped in to run some quick tests. Neither 16mm T and E supply cable is damaged. Ze is within limits, I loop tested 1 socket in the ground floor flat and it was fine so I assume polarity to the GFF CU is OK. All RCD's tripping within required times. I didn't have my megger with me, so couldn't ramp test.


Since the issues have only started since the builders started work and all was fine and dandy before, it MUST be something the builders have done that's now creating the fault?  I tested the installation about a year ago and there was a previous test cert from 2010.

I'm a bit stumped and would welcome any thoughts on where to go next. I did suggest getting UKPN out to check the supply, is it worth this?


many thanks

BB



  • I agree, it must be a neutral/earth fault that is switched in and out of circuit by the GFF CU.

    The loss of power and restoration is almost certainly someone turning off "the lot" in the GFF.

    Builders always deny anything they do wrong.

  • MHRestorations:


    The RCD, especially type AC ones, which may be non electronic, don't CARE if the line conductor is actually live, even. If they spot 30mA on the neutral with zero on the line, they're gonna trip.



     




    Which could be from your continuity tester, which is pushing out a 200 mA DC  current, resulting in a RCD tripping in a dead installation.


    Not that I’m suggesting that is the reason the RCD tips in this installation, just passing comment.


    Andy Betteridge 

  • Brucie



    Time to break out the earth leakage clamp meter rather than chasing your tail and/or using your crystal ball!
  • Former Community Member
    0 Former Community Member
    Hello everyone

    Many thanks for taking time over the weekend to reply. I'm just reading over the replies and digesting them, and may well be back with more questions.

    I think the place to start though since I can't get back there for a week or so, is why are the builders turning off the GFF each time they leave, what happens if they don't (although this potentially leaves FFF with no power until next morning) and is someone just being a silly billy and turning off the wrong switch.

    Much food for thought and yes I'm dusting off my clamp meter JP!

    thanks again and I'll be back...

    BB
  • Former Community Member
    0 Former Community Member
    Hello again!

    Just an update. The owner of the GFF wanted to use their own electrician, so I've only just heard back. Apparently he baffled my client with science, muttered something about his RCD being at fault, might have some something in the GFF and all now seems fine!

    So I think we'll never get to the bottom of it, but I DO wonder if the builders were actually switching it off when they left at night.....

    Thanks again for the helpful replies

    BB