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PROPOSED ELECTRICAL LEGISLATION

John Peckham
The government have produced draft regulations on the periodic inspection and testing of domestic installations.


It can be found here http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukdsi/2020/9780111191934


I have serious concerns with the proposed definition of "qualified" as it does not require anyone to have any qualifications whatsoever , so it does not do what it says on the tin. It perpetuates the current practice of any knuckle scraping half whit who does not know their amp from the elbow carrying out inspection and testing. Without setting out defined required qualifications it becomes unenforceable.


Unless an MP makes an objection as Secondary it will become law without debate. I have written to my recently Knighted MP this morning to explain my views on the proposed legislation and in particular the definition of "Qualified" that contains no requirement to have any qualifications. 


Unless the government gets any objections these Regulations will become law. Only an MP can get proposed secondary legislation changed.


You may wish to join me in writing to your MP?
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    One of my neighbours is an estate and letting agent, I spoke to him whilst he was walking his dogs and like many other agents he is concerned that there won't be enough competent electricians to complete the repairs and reports within the permitted timescale.


    Andy Betteridge
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    One of my neighbours is an estate and letting agent, I spoke to him whilst he was walking his dogs and like many other agents he is concerned that there won't be enough competent electricians to complete the repairs and reports within the permitted timescale.


    Well, my experience of the 10%ers is that they're more worried about having to tell their source of income that they need to carry out I&T which will upset the landlord as it will dip into his profits, leading to the landlord looking elsewhere for a more "accommodating" 10%er.............


    Regards


    BOD
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    So "not enough competent electricians to do the remedial work"? Is that an admission from the fine body of letting agents that they are knowingly letting a huge amount of premises that they know to have defective electrical installations? Is that why they and landlords objected when this legislation was being discussed?
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    They won’t know will they, if they have not had them inspected and tested?


    Andy B.
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    John Peckham:

    So "not enough competent electricians to do the remedial work"? Is that an admission from the fine body of letting agents that they are knowingly letting a huge amount of premises that they know to have defective electrical installations? Is that why they and landlords objected when this legislation was being discussed?




    More that there will not be enough competent people to prepare the EICRs to know what remedial work is required and issue the paperwork if or not any remedial work is required, many installations  will not fail, so long as the new regulations are rewritten.


    Andy Betteridge 

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    In that case there only needs to be a longer grace period for  existing installations to be inspected.
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    I am reading it as a EICR issued prior to the introduction of the new regulations is not valid and a new one will have to be prepared, even if was only inspected a few months ago.


    That would make sense if all the installations have to comply with BS7671:2018 as many of them don’t despite having been passed as satisfactory under the present regime.


    Either this has not been thought through or the requirements are going to be very stringent. Either way the landlords are not going to be happy.


    Andy Betteridge
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    I presume you have all noted these regulations only cover England, the requirements are and will be different throughout the rest of the UK.


    Andy Betteridge
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    http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukdsi/2020/9780111191934/pdfs/ukdsiem_9780111191934_en.pdf

    EXPLANATORY MEMORANDUM TO 

    THE ELECTRICAL SAFETY STANDARDS IN THE PRIVATE RENTED SECTOR (ENGLAND) REGULATIONS 2020 

    2020 No. [XXXX] 


    12.10 Carrying out an inspection of electrical installations is a complex task that requires an extra level of qualification and competence achieved beyond the standard 4-year vocational route commonly followed by qualified inspectors and testers. Therefore, Government will develop, with industry experts, new guidance for landlords stipulating who can carry out the mandatory electrical installation checks. 

    12.11 Within the new guidance landlords will be advised that competence will be met if an inspector and tester is a member of a competent person scheme or has met the requirements set out in a checklist. In addition to the checklist in the new guidance, industry scheme operators will be invited to set up a new electrical inspection and testing competent person scheme which inspectors and testers could choose to join. A reference to these schemes would also be made in the Government’s ‘How to Rent Guide’.

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