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Radiators under windows.

Should electric or central heating radiators be installed under windows?


Andy Betteridge
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    Typically for design purposes, if you are trying to balance mean radiant temperature and ambient air temperature into a "comfort temperature", then a typical "wet radiator" offering an average surface temperature about 40C above the comfort temperature, then you could take the radiant output of the rad as about 10% of the total sensible heat output - the total radiant output in the space will be higher, but at a lower effective temperature


    They are mostly convective - but contrast that with a big log burner in a big draughty space - reasonably close to the appliance is still cosy, even though the ambient air temperature is lower (back to the ratio of air temperature and mean radiant temperature for comfort again.


    There is a lot of sense in putting the heat source in the "loss place" when it comes to comfort


    Ohhh - and my reference to a woodburner was purely illustrative - I don't own one, would never use one and condemn their use*


    * - Not really,  it's just in case Greta has logged in to collect names for re education in Battery Factory No 3 (aka, The Glorious Revolutionary Cobalt Factory)

    Regards


    OMS

  • Chris Pearson:

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    In practical terms, if you need to put furniture against the other walls, the space under the windows may be all that is available.


    What you shouldn't do is cover the radiators with floor-length curtains. Unfortunately that is exactly what Mrs P likes and then she complains about the cold. ??




    Yes I think that pragmatically if you want to avoid radiators behind furniture, under the windows is the best bet. However . . .

     

    Posted by broadgage on Mar 4, 2020 12:01 pm



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    For optimum comfort and minimising draughts and condensation, then yes radiators should be placed under windows.

    For minimum fuel use and therefore minimum running costs, then radiators should be on inner walls and away from windows. Placement under a window implies an outside wall, with heat losses through the wall and through the window.

    If heat sources are on inner walls, then any losses are only into other rooms rather than to the outside.


     




    Consider a radiator installed away from the window. This sets up an air circulation pattern. Hot air rises from the radiator and travels just below the ceiling towards the window, from which cooled air sinks to near floor level and travels back to the radiator. People thus sit or stand in the path of the cooled air from the window, which can compromise comfort. To compensate for this, it is desirable to bring the mean room temperature higher than would be necessary if radiator were under the window, avoiding this circulation pattern. This offsets the gain achieved by having the radiator situated where its heat is less likely to leak outside.


    So from an energy point of view, maybe fitting radiators under windows is not such a bad idea after all. Has any university or other organisation conducted any research to quantify these alternatives?


    In my house, most of the radiators are under windows, thus no clash with furniture. There are a few exceptions, e.g. the bathroom, where the bath, handbasin and loo are all backed against the outside wall, so it is not practicable to put the radiator under the window. In the dining room the window is - well a french window, so the radiator clearly cannot go there.


    Overall I think common sense has been applied in the positioning of the radiators (done by a previous owner).


    As for curtains, I suggest these should be just long enough to reach the window sill, and sit on it without overlap.
  • Some interesting points of view, but if you have a super-insulated, hermetically-sealed, draught-free house, under the windows is just fine. That's if you need them at all.
  • It is interesting that it seems the common consensus is that under windows is the place to install radiators.


    Apart from the possible waste of heat, placing electric heaters under windows has to be potentially dangerous as they may be covered with curtains if the users of the heaters don’t have the good sense not to cover them, as I have seen happen.


    Andy Betteridge
  • BTW, a friends home built large but super insulated house has a modest heating demand, but would be uncomfortable with no heating. It is heated by a single loop of wide bore pipe through which water heated by a solid fuel stove circulates by gravity. No radiators are used, the pipe IS the radiating surface.

    The heating pipe runs around the entire perimeter of the upper floor before descending to the stove.

    This arrangement slightly restricts furniture layout, but has worked excellently.

    With a good fire as would be used in winter, the heat output to the water is estimated at about 6Kw, with another 6Kw into the room containing the stove. About half that with a modest fire.

    In moderately cool weather the fire is lit each evening and allowed to go out during the night. In colder weather the fire is lit 24/7.

  • Sparkingchip:

    Apart from the possible waste of heat, placing electric heaters under windows has to be potentially dangerous as they may be covered with curtains if the users of the heaters don’t have the good sense not to cover them, as I have seen happen.




    Same as placing clothes or towels on top of them - if a thermostat is defective, they could overheat. Not possible with a wet radiator!

  • I know someone who thinks drying clothes on a (wet system) radiator is a fire risk. I suppose overcaution is better than gliby drying clothes on electric storage heaters though.
  • I have replaced thermal fuses in storage heaters, because people have tried to dry clothes, towels and sheets on them.

    With postage you are looking at fifteen to twenty quid or more for the fuse  plus two visits to find out what the problem is and another to fit the new fuse, a wet towel can soon run up quite a bill.


    Andy Betteridge