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Wifi? Is it illegally illegal to post for a wifi problem on here????

Tomgunn
Hi all,


Hope everyone's coping well!! 


OK, I bought an amazing security camera... unbelievably amazing for... just under £20! It does everything like, day and night vision, (only turn off the infrared thing as I am using an indoor security camera to cover the outside and if you have that selected it'll show up as some 10 spotlights reflecting back from the double glazing), that is also amazing! You can speak, and listen via it, and it'll record 24/7 via a micro 32GB SD card and it wipes the first on when it's full it also records to the 'cloud', (wherever that is... I guess I'll find it - eventually?).


You can watch it on anything anywhere and it's a plug and play system, with a little inputting... ANYWAYS, yes... it's fantastic and it's called a NEOS Smartcam, ( it's also known under a few differnt names as well).


So, all is good, yeah? Well... not quite. You see it needs a wifi connection. Down here, in my 'office' it's FAB but when I site it in my bedroom window, to cover the close, the wifi is hardly present.


I have a BT wifi unit, (a socket that connects to the router and an outlet for my digi TalkTalk box). BUT, when I use another BT system, that sends my wifi around the wiring... it just won't work and I think it may clash with the one feeding TT's box???


So, what's the best way to get wifi in the bedroom? 


I've looked and looked around and I don't like 'extenders'... or something that sends MORE wifi around the house, albeit 'directional'... so peep's what to do? 


I could use an internet cable but the camera doesn't have any attachment for it to plug into so there would need to be a 'device' / something, that would emit the wifi.


OK, sorry for the looooong post, hopefully someone, as I KNOW - you're all very clever lads, (and lassessess ?), out there!!


regards... Tom



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    Illegally illegal to video the close


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    Sparkingchip:
    Illegally illegal to video the close


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    have a BT wifi unit, (a socket that connects to the router and an outlet for my digi TalkTalk box).

    BUT, when I use another BT system, that sends my wifi around the wiring... it just won't work and I think it may clash with the one feeding TT's box???



    So to be clear you have 2 Wifi / internet systems or one ?

    The TalkTalk box is an internet box or just a TV/YouView box (so another 'device' using rather than supplying the internet)


    If you have 2 competing distribution systems


    As for your Video Camera itself, the problem with these is usually they only use the Low Wifi (2.4GHz) band, which is extremely crowded and busy.

    In an upper open view location, it will see many neighbours systems and they will get in the way of your local signal.

    in your office, I would expect that it cannot see the other systems... and sees only one clear 'voice' of your router.


    But a clearer description of what the boxes are might help, 



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    Andy88:

     




    have a BT wifi unit, (a socket that connects to the router and an outlet for my digi TalkTalk box).

    BUT, when I use another BT system, that sends my wifi around the wiring... it just won't work and I think it may clash with the one feeding TT's box???



    So to be clear you have 2 Wifi / internet systems or one ?

    The TalkTalk box is an internet box or just a TV/YouView box (so another 'device' using rather than supplying the internet)


    If you have 2 competing distribution systems


    As for your Video Camera itself, the problem with these is usually they only use the Low Wifi (2.4GHz) band, which is extremely crowded and busy.

    In an upper open view location, it will see many neighbours systems and they will get in the way of your local signal.

    in your office, I would expect that it cannot see the other systems... and sees only one clear 'voice' of your router.


    But a clearer description of what the boxes are might help, 



     

     




    Hello Andy,


    Thanks for the reply!


    What I have is a TalkTalk system / main router...


    My PC is connected to the TT router...


    I have a pair of plug in boxes, that link via the wiring, and one is plugged into my 'offices'' socket's and that is connected to the router and this feeds the TT digi box, in the front room...


    What I have, also, is what turns out to be a few years' old BT system, the same as I use for the TT digi box but, I have found out that you need to go into the PC to get it working so...


    I now need to buy something else that will transfer, at a low 2.4GHz, for my camera, in the bedroom.


    I now know most of the 'options'... but I was hoping that there could be another way... I guess I may have to run a cable up there as I feel that if I have two of these systems, on the same wiring, that they may clash with each other.


    Thanks... Tom 






     

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    If you have a smart phone, install a WIFI analyser, this will find the signal strength around the house from your modem. 


    Jaymack
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    Hiya, Jaymack:

    If you have a smart phone, install a WIFI analyser, this will find the signal strength around the house from your modem. 


    Jaymack 




    Hiya, I was going by my smartphones level indicator BUT, I guess downloading, never thought about doing that, would be a good idea BUT, which one as... haha, I've never downloaded any Apps' apart from WhatsApp.


    regards...


     

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    The other advantage of a program on your phone/tablet is that it can also show you the signal from the neighbours' WiFi.  If the channels overlap, then there may be points in the house where the neighbour's signal is stronger than yours.


    On Android, I use Wifi Analyzer Classic by farproc.
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    > have a pair of plug in boxes,


    As some have commented, you can only have one standard in the system at any one time.

    They are generally designated as AV100/AV200 ... AV 600 

    being the max speed and protocol they are using.


    In general you can use any of teh same AVxxx standard together, though it makes sense to use from the same manufacturer.

    You can also get ones that terminate only in an ethernet (cable) socket, and ones that are also Wifi Access Point (repeater) units - so suitable to connect a wifi only box such as your camera to. They will need a PC at some point to configure the Wifi SSID/key.


    The other gotcha is that they need hard mains wiring, i.e. plugged into a wall socket,

    the moment you put them on an extension /flexible lead they lose signal (rapidly)


    Solutions there are:

    a) find a compatible mains-wiring extender (ideally wifi output)

    b) ethernet cable to a Wifi "Access Point" (which creates a local wifi signal again)

        (if they are not readily / cost effectively available, you can use an old/cheap Wifi router

          and turn off the internal DHCP server and plug into the LAN side, and it will repeat to the wifi side)




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    I see that talkTalk's own are not that expensive

    even if you had to replace the 2 you have, with a new set of 3 or 4 (so a pair of their wifi sets) of whatever standard they are using now
    https://accessories.talktalk.co.uk/?category=NewExtenders


    Their page is not clear but looks like you get a cable connected + wifi box for less than a single cable box (!)

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    Be careful with the powerline comms devices (PLC or PLT ) - they are both vulnerable to, and can create, interference in a way that a well engineered wired or  radio communiciiton system does not. Very few buildings have mains wiring that forms an optimal lossless transmission line, and quite a lot of that signal is radiated and similarly quite a lot is picked up.

    That is not to say they cannot be made to work, just that there are some locations where they are very unsatisfactory, and they are not very secure.


    Testing I am aware of does not show extension leads to be a problem of absolute signal strength as such, more that one is adding an uncontrolled antenna and a length of wire of another characteristic impedance, so the SNR falls, as the noise rises, rather than the signal falls.  Actually I have also seen a demo of a pair of TPlink devices working with one plugged into the mains as normal. and the other just on an isolated  table top powerd from a battery  inverter and a 4 way block, sharing  the PLT module and a small artificial Christmas tree and lights. It was a good demo, if anyone ever doubted it, that it is not really a wired system in the true sense, and radio is a large part of it.

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