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420 Watt Hedge Trimmer.

The owner of the 420 Watt hedge trimmer decided to redesign the 0.75mm2 two core flex by cutting through it. This caused a dead short. His house is supplied by a TN-C-S supply. It has a consumer unit in the house with a B16 M.C.B. dedicated to supply his garage. The house consumer unit is a split load type with 30mA R.C.D.s. The hedge trimmer had a 13 amp plug fuse fitted. It was supplied via an extension lead fused at 5 Amps.


In the garage, where the hedge trimmer was plugged in,  there is a two way garage unit with a B16 M.C.B. for the sockets and a 30 mA R.C.D.


When the hedge trimmer flex was cut through which protective device(s) tripped off or ruptured?


Z.




  • Should buy a cordless model

  • Colin Haggett:

    Should buy a cordless model 




    Weight and cost! I have a substantial petrol trimmer for my large hedges - bad move - far too heavy for Mrs P to use! ?


    Any road, I thought that it would be useful to get a lighter one for my little box hedges. Sticking with the same make, cordless ones were just as heavy as petrol ones because of the weight of the battery. So at half the weight, it had to be a plugged in one. But it's perfectly safe 'cos it is plugged into an SRCD. ? 

  • The mains electric one that I replaced the flex on was very safe. You need to hold the trimmer in two places at once for the blades to operate, that presses in two separate switches.  Just like the old light bulb testing stations in F.W. Woolworth years ago. That way the sales assistant could not get electrocuted accidentally if she had her fingers in the lamp holder and switched it on with the other hand.


    Z.
  • I got it right? yay made my day Lol

  • Colin Haggett:

    Should buy a cordless model 




     

    I have a Makita 36 volt hedge trimmer, it takes two 18 volt batteries that can be easily swapped about.


    Andy B.
  • I had a similar call out, an elderly lady said the power supply to the freezer in her garage had failed and all the food had defrosted. The 30 amp fuse in the garage board has mysteriously blown, however when quizzed she pulled the hedge cutter out from under a bench with multiple taped repairs in its flex and enquired if it could have been the cause of the problem.


    Andy B.

  • Zoomup:


    No other devices tripped off, no R.C.D.s tripped off, and the 13 Amp fuse in the hedge trimmer plug did not blow.


    P.S. The hedge trimmer flex was renewed.




    My wife had the same experience. I was very sympathetic and told her it was just one of those things - just as well because she couldn't then crow when I subsequently managed to do the same........

  • That is an interesting outcome because the exact amount of energy to operate each device must have all been achieved together. I would expect both B16s to operate because the fault current was probably in the "instant" range, and this must be very similar to the current required to blow a 5A fuse too, in much the same time. Dead shorts are always likely to do something like this, due to the high current and the very short period needed to operate CPDs. It shows exactly why submains (garage feed) with low value CPDs do not discriminate and therefore are a nuisance! This would puzzle the average consumer for some time as to what the fault was! Another point is that the 5A fuse may have been old, and they do "age" somewhat due to transient overloads etc, so if he does it again the new fuse may hold up.
  • I have cut through a hedge trimmer cable ...... twice, easily done! ?, but with weeks in between ............. and many moons ago.

    The question of what would first trip/blow in this case is academic for a house; as long as the installation is kosher to the Regulations but as to the question; tolerances of the protective devices should be considered, and the probabilities of coincidence.


    Jaymack
  • I had an experience while a child (well teenager) where I cut through the flex on our hedge trimmer, dead short... Nothing blew. The flex was about 50m of 0.75 orange 2 core, but it was the old tinned copper red/black flex. 13A fuse in the plug (due to using the same cord with a 1400w lawnmower, the 5's tended to blow before the lawn was done, big old victorian garden). Plugged in via a 'powerbreaker' plug in RCD into a 30 amp ringmain protected by the old wylex plug in MCB's. TN-S supply with 60amp incoming fuse. 


    having a sparking flex jammed in the hedgetrimmer scared me enough to replace the flex with 1.0mm and invest in a 7 amp fuse!