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Farm earthing arrangements.

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Some years ago I started doing electrical work at a farm, originally the farm buildings and house were both connected to the DNO earth terminal.


I altered it so that the farm buildings are TT , but left the house connected to the DNO earth terminal. The possible issues are that there is a steel clad switch fuse enclosure for the house inside a wooden cupboard in the farm workshop and the SWA cable for the house passes through the ground immediately adjacent to the farm building. But there was no physical connection between the house and farm earthing arrangements.


It had been like that for a few years as the house has not had any alterations at all, just a few repairs. So the house installation is effectively exactly the same as it was when the house and the farm buildings were thirty years ago and connected up as a new installation by the DNO.


However (you knew there was going to be a however!) a couple of years ago PV panels were installed on the farm building roof and the installers used the DNO and house earth terminal rather than the farm buildings earth terminal, despite the PV system being in and on the farm buildings and it having storage batteries that feed back into the both installations as they share a meter; and the storage batteries act as a supply to emergency lighting in the farm buildings when the installation is off-grid.


I am now reviewing the earth arrangements, the house is empty and needs tidying up, thirty two lights need replacing and odd repairs, there won't be any alterations it is just replacing fittings and replacing MCBs in the split load consumer unit with RCBOs to give additional RCD protection in the house. 


I will leave it at that and not express my thoughts, as it will be more interesting to see what your thoughts are rather than trying to get you to consider mine.


Comments please. 


Andy B
  • Obviously the sketch is not to any kind of scale. ?
  • Section 705 excludes rooms, locations and areas for household applications and similar.


    What is the type of farm? Does is fall within Section 705 of B.S. 7671?


    We may have to consider: "Residences and other locations belonging to agricultural and horticultural premises". 705.411.4.


    Z.
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  • Sparkingchip:
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    That is it. 705.411.4 says that a TN-C supply shall not be used in residences and other locations.....which are connected ELECTRICALLY, that is that they have a "conductive connection to the agricultural or horticultural premises by either PROTECTIVE CONDUCTORS of the same installation or by EXTRANEOUS-CONDUCTIVE-PARTS."


    Z.

  • Possible red herring alert.


    We cannot use  TN-C anywhere in the UK can we?


    Andy Betteridge

  • Sparkingchip:

    Possible red herring alert.


    We cannot use  TN-C anywhere in the UK can we?


    Andy Betteridge 




    Does the TN-C reference not apply to TN-C-S and include it as well?


    Z.

  • There’s a question to answer, also precisely what is the DNO earthing arrangement?


    I deliberately did not label the earthing arrangements apart from the TT that I installed for the farm buildings.


     Andy Betteridge.
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    BS7671 Part 2 Definitions. System. 


    Red herring? 


    Andy Betteridge
  • If TN-C  (earthed concentric wiring) is normally forbidden for use in the U.K. then why make a special mention of it in reg. 705.411.4? Many respected writers have pointed out that P.M.E. supply requests  will often be refused to agricultural installations by the D.N.O. So is your farm supply provided with TT earthing? Enquiries need to be made.


    Edit. Page 38 and the definition of the expression TN-C system clarifies the matter.


    Z.


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    Read the note to 421.4.3


    That makes the reference to a ban  in agriculture installations of using a TN-C earthing system a red herring,  because we cannot use it anywhere in the UK anyway. 


    Andy Betteridge