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Competitive pricing for Domestic EICR's. Why so low?

Jaymack
There's a few sites that offer Electrical Reports, most with registered electricians; albeit some quote VAT and some without. Most quoted prices for these, do not reflect a reasonable charge, based upon qualifications, experience, thoroughness and probable time spent.

1. Are there too many players? 2. Are the standards falling? 3. Is too much reliance placed on follow up work?. 4. Are those organisations who "register" inspectors not being sufficiently critical.? 5. Should there be additional or separate registration for electrical inspectors?. 6. City and Guilds 2391 for Inspection and Testing, was considered as being too difficult to pass and watered down by the players, is that the reason for the proliference of players and a race to the bottom?. 


Jaymack
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    I did an internet search for local EICR providers, the search results were a bit thin, they included a non-registered electrician and a NICEIC DI who has a webpage about the requirements for landlords EICRs, this was the first  Paid for search result


    People aren’t getting the bit about not all NICEIC contractors being able to prepare EICRs for landlords, unless the government gets on and issues guidance to the contrary.


    And that’s not taking into account the number of people driving around with NICEIC stickers being displayed fraudulently on their vans.


    Andy Betteridge
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    So slightly over £10 plus VAT per circuit. I guess they only make money when they find a second DB of some sort - such as an economy 7 heating DB, or a household extensions DB.......


    Maybe they get a single operative to do three of these a day? Flats with 4 way DBs - a few of those could be done per day and maybe over the year these average out to a reasonable cost.......


    I wonder how much they charge for circuits 11 and up?

    There feels like there should commonly be a catch here.

    I'm not sure how many properties would have more than 1 DB - probably more than 50% of them?


    Please understand though - I don't know and don't want to impugn the company in question shown above though, nor question the quality of their work with out ever having seen a sample of it.
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    I wonder if the NICEIC saw the advert by one of their Approved Contractors indicating their operatives doing 4 or more EICRs a day would cause them to undertake urgent investigations as to the integrity of the enterprise they are approving? After all the are a consumer protection body I believe?



    NICEIC is a trademark for a membership scheme. It is not even its original abbreviation anymore, just 6 capital letters in a row. Any consumer protection aspect was severed many years ago, devolved to a new entity, the Electrical Safety Council, or Electrical Safety First, as I think it is now.
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    I invisage that this new regime will be a walk in the park for the next couple of years for those electricians who know what they are doing?

    Why?

    Because the regulations for tenanted properties will need to be up to date and no retrospective allowances.

    That will introduce other compexities, no doubt.

    Right, I'm off for my dinner so please no interuptions .......

    Legh.
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    Does anyone want to debate Mr Savery's remarks re. not recording non-compliances with the current standard if they complied with a previous edition of BS 7671 and The HSE note on Page 13 of the 18th Edition.



    That did raise an eyebrow with me - a pity he didn't inwardly digest the NAPIT & ESF guidance in that context. Although if  I ever find an installation done to the 1st Ed I'll know where to get a satisfactory EICR from.


    I was a little puzzled by the repeated references to the Electricity at Work regulations too - and wondering if they're even in scope for a domestic installation once the electrician is out of the door?


       - Andy.

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    It is also perhaps the case that the price of an EICR has to be that low, or it is not worth doing it so frequently, or perhaps at all ever.

    We should consider that there will be some price above which It will be more cost effective  for society as  a whole to accept the occasional catastrophic failure, and not bother inspecting fixed wiring mid-life at all.


    This seems to be the way that certain DNOs operate already -- i.e. do nothing to cut outs and earthing in dwellings until it goes wrong, but jump fast when the phone rings to report a fault at a house  or an exploding link box.


    I have a sneaking suspicion that the same value economics drives certain countries to have regimes that assume energisation without testing. But that is mostly at 110V.
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    Or maybe because there is not any compulsion and EICRs for privately rented homes are seen as going above and beyond by the majority of landlords they are not realistically priced, six months from now it could be a different story.


    Many rented homes have fifty year old wiring, that is hardly midlife. I think it is assumed that landlords buy a property and update everything, that is far from the truth.


    Andy Betteridge
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    There may well be 50 year old wiring that is good for another 50 with little more than the addition of an RCD and check of the earthing to bring it close enough to modern standards.

    I strongly suggest that the problems are more to do with wiring (of any age, including very recent) that was  badly thought-out and/or badly installed from the outset, or where the wiring or the building layout has been changed in a way that makes it less safe.
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    Sparkingchip:

    I did an internet search for local EICR providers, the search results were a bit thin, they included a non-registered electrician and a NICEIC DI who has a webpage about the requirements for landlords EICRs, this was the first  Paid for search result


    People aren’t getting the bit about not all NICEIC contractors being able to prepare EICRs for landlords, unless the government gets on and issues guidance to the contrary.


    And that’s not taking into account the number of people driving around with NICEIC stickers being displayed fraudulently on their vans.


    Andy Betteridge




    From above link.....


    **Price quoted is for one fuse board only with 10 circuits maximum. Additional fuseboards are £139 each. Price is for England only. There may be a surcharge if you live in a rural area, Wales or Scotland. Please call 0203 011 0654 for price.**


    Too cheap at the basic price quoted. I charge  more, so I suppose that I include the rural area "surcharge" naturally as I live in a remote location. I take at least half a day to thoroughly inspect and test a property and write up the paperwork.


    Z.

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    I think you missed the elephant in the room. My posting a link to that webpage had absolutely nothing to do with the quoted prices.


    It was the use of the NICEIC Domestic Installer logo, first off the Domestic Installers are not approved by the NICEIC to do the EICRs this firm are trying to sell, secondly is this firm using the NICEIC logo in their advertising actually registered with the NICEIC themselves or are they using subbies? 


    Andy B.

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