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What work am I legally allowed to do

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Hello,


I have been working in the electrical sector since 2013. I came into it late as a career change because I was interested in renewables, and I was too old to get an apprenticeship, so I've had to learn by doing the 2330 and 17th edition, and getting practical experience as an electrician's mate or improver on construction sites. I've gathered all the evidence for my NVQ Level 3, but I failed my AM2 last year and I am now preparing to re-take it. I have a JIB card, up to last year I was designated: "Experienced Worker", but for some reason when I had to update it, it was changed to: "Electrical Labourer".


I had a 5 month job on a site near to my home which I very much enjoyed, but I was laid off when no longer needed in early February, and I've now been out of work for five weeks. As there's no sign of a job, I'm now thinking of working for myself, but I'm being careful. I did a little bit of work for myself in 2016 to 2017, but I eventually gave up because I wasn't making enough money and I was limited to doing sockets and lights, I couldn't legally test, inspect or sign work off in accordance with Part P. I wouldn't be able to take out insurance right now.


Do any experienced members who've worked for themselves know what range of work, if any, I can legally do without insurance and with a JIB Electrical Labourer card? I'm asking because I have always found it very frustrating in the electrical trade to know exactly what you can and can't do, my college, my tutors, training websites and even the JIB always seem to tell you different things. 

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    Ebee:

    some may inspect and test without PI, but the document issued would be fraudulent

    " why fraudulent? A bit unwise perhaps to sign a cert but not fraudulent unless done with errors surely?

      

     



    It would be fraudulent, if one is taking money under false pretences. The paperwork would have no substance in a court of law.


    More so, would take business from those who are registered for such inspections.


    Jaymack
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    Chris Pearson:




    ebee:

    some may inspect and test without PI, but the document issued would be fraudulent " why fraudulent? A bit unwise perhaps to sign a cert but not fraudulent unless done with errors surely?




    if a bus driver is not competent, 1. Would he be employable?. 2. Would you as a passenger allow yourself to be carried if the driver made this fact known?.


    Jaymack


     




     

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    see my last reply on     PROPOSED ELECTRICAL LEGISLATION




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    If you do I & T (or install etc etc) then apply the Clint Eastwood - Dirty Harry saying "Each man should know his limitations"
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    It would be fraudulent, if one is taking money under false pretences. The paperwork would have no substance in a court of law.



    I'm not following, unless he's specifically claiming to have insurance when he hasn't where's the fraud? If someone puts their signature to a piece of paper then they're taking responsibility - insurance doesn't come into it (I don't need insurance to sign a cheque or a contract). Why would the lack of insurance mean that a EICR would have no substance in the eyes of the law?


    For sure having insurance makes a huge amount of sense to protect oneself financially if things did go wrong - but that's a different issue.


      - Andy.
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    AJJewsbury:




    It would be fraudulent, if one is taking money under false pretences. The paperwork would have no substance in a court of law.



    unless he's specifically claiming to have insurance when he hasn't where's the fraud? 

    The fraud lies in the offer to carry out work for a gullible Joe, without being registered, P.I. is a prerequisite to this registration.


    Jaymack
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    Okay, you cannot do EICRs so you don’t need professional indemnity insurance as you are not testing or designing work installed by other people, have a chat with a sensible insurance broker.


    If you are out of work it may be a good idea to get general building maintenance included on the policy, maybe gardening as well. Then you can go and generally tidy up a property for someone.


    I had a chat with the father of a guy who has trained as an electrician having been in the forces, his son is working for a facilities management company, as well as electrical work he ends up unblocking toilets as well as numerous other maintenance jobs, but they are paying him £32k so it’s not worrying him.


    Andy Betteridge
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    Exactly,

    He can I & T, even do an EICR, not needing PI or belong to a scheme if that`s what he wants to do. A sensible person would have PLI, PII and be registered (read approved etc) but there is no legal requirement to do so. It is not fraud. If you are not competant and make a mistake in making a Satisfactory/Unsatisfactory report then that could be fraudulent.


    If an indivual works for payment then having PLI is a good idea, if you`re doing EICRs then PII is a good idea too. Neither is mandatory or fraudulent not to have unless you untruthfully state you have them
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    ebee:

    It is not fraud. If you are not competant and make a mistake in making a Satisfactory/Unsatisfactory report then that could be fraudulent.

     



    The fraud lies in the offer to carry out work for a gullible Joe, without being registered, P.I. is a prerequisite to this registration.


    Jaymack
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    Registration with a scheme is only required to self-notify notifiable work - wrongly called self-certifying.

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