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Foundation Earthing AMD 2

AMD 2 says:

 
542.1.2.202 For new premises constructed upon foundations, each building in which there is an installation using the protective measure of automatic disconnection of supply shall be provided with one of the following:


(i)         a concrete-embedded foundation earth electrode in accordance with Annex A542 or


(ii)         a soil-embedded ring earth electrode in accordance with Annex A542 or


(iii)         an equivalent earth electrode such as that afforded by metalwork of a steel framed building embedded in concrete foundations in contact with soil.


A value of resistance to Earth not exceeding 20 ohms shall be provided by the earth electrode, or collectively where the electrodes of two or more buildings are connected together.


The earth electrode shall be connected to the main earthing terminal of the installation by a main protective bonding conductor of that installation. For the purpose of this requirement, for an installation in a multiple premises building, the protective conductor of the service line or distribution circuit supplying that installation shall be deemed to be the main protective bonding conductor.


In dwellings, for outbuildings such as detached garages and sheds, an earth electrode in accordance with (i), (ii) or

(iii) need not be provided.

Which raises a few questions in my mind...

  1. In practice, how many electricians are involved with the design & construction of foundations (or how many groundwork engineers are likely to be familiar with the contents of BS 7671) - i.e. what are the chances of such a facility having been correctly installed by the time an electrician turns up on site? What's the electrician supposed to do if such a facility hasn't been constructed, or (worse) has, but doesn't meet the 20Ω requirement? I might suspect that demanding that the foundations of a near-complete brand new buildings are ripped up and re-done, or trenching for an extra electrode underneath all the newly installed services and landscaping isn't going to go down well (even if there is space). Will the electrician be unable to deliver a BS 7671 compliant installation? It's probably fine on large scale projects where there's a team of architects and engineers double checking every requirement before everything is built, but a typical small scale private domestic build, with a local builder who likes doing things in a tried and trusted manner, I foresee problems.

  • What the extra cost of all this likely to be? I gather that they go down this route in much of Southern Europe partly because seismic regulations often demand steel re-inforcment of concrete foundations (so the extra metal is there anyway), they need a local electrode as everything's TT and dry soil conditions mean a simple rod won't be sufficient. UK conditions tend to be different - a simple rod is usually fine for TT, with a damp climate that tends to corrode steel below ground unless very carefully constructed and no seismic requirements, foundations on everything other than very poor ground are usually just plain concrete - and even where reinforced rafts or ring beams are specified, they'll usually be tied with steel wire rather than welded - which A542 prohibits.

  • What's this 20Ω limit all about anyway? It's far too high to be useful in a broken PEN situation and probably overkill for TT. It aligns with BS 7430's requirement for earthing of sources (e.g. generators) but in that it seems that value was always a bit arbitrary anyway (if it's fine for a 1MVA transformer, do we really need the same for a 16A SSEG?)

  • Are there any potential harmful effects due to "exporting" fault voltages to the ground outside the building. Modern buildings with all plastic services probably contain hazardous voltages reasonably well within their walls (Class 1 outside lights and EV charging notwithstanding). With a foundation electrode is it possible that they very soil outside the building might become hazardous (e,g. during a broken PEN event) and contact with that at the same time with more remote soil (e.g. via metallic hand rails or fencing) could introduce a hazard that would otherwise not be there?

  • If, in many cases, using steel reinforcement isn't going to happen and so we'd end up adding a loop of several tens of metres of reasonably chunky copper wire or tape - from an overall point of view wouldn't we be better using a similar amount money and material to upgrade the DNO system to TN-S instead?



   - Andy.
  • Because the BRs are not part of the BSI

    As I understand it (not my area of course) they are in a way - some years back many constructions standards were harmonized into 'Euro Codes' which then came back to to national level as ordinary standards (BS EN in our case) - which building regs (or ADs/compliance guides) can then refer to. So I suspect there is a 'normal normalization' path possible here.


       - Andy.
  • Former Community Member
    0 Former Community Member
    Exactly the point I made, David


    JPEL 64 should have limited themselves to what the outcome needs to achieve, provided requirements on the "electrical" bits and then stopped talking.


    Regards


    OMS


  • The discussion about how to join rebar together in a manner that ensures electrical continuity is really academic, because most houses don’t have any rebar in the foundations and the floors will have damp proof membranes, insulation or may be block and beam construction.


    So the only really viable solution is a copper tape laid into the foundation trenches before they are filled with concrete.


    The very first question from the client, architect and their builders will be “Why?”.


    So again, I will try asking the question so I can pass the answer on, what does an 20 ohm electrode achieve on a TNCS earthed installation and what would it achieve in a TT earthed installation that a rod electrode with five times the resistance would not achieve?


    Andy Betteridge 


  • Also if the reinforcement rots away and the foundations fail, whose insurance company gets the claim?


    This could cause the steelwork to corrode like the hull of a steel boat connected to a TNCS earth system.


    We had to replace a RSJ installed by others in a roof that failed after around ten years due to excessive condensation issues, it surprising how quickly steel can fail in some circumstances, what we took to the scrapyard was good for nothing. 


    Andy Betteridge 


  • I don't think anyone has that answer Andy. As for the "Magic" 20 Ohms, what is the justification for that maximum value?
  • Former Community Member
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    davezawadi (David Stone):

    I don't think anyone has that answer Andy. As for the "Magic" 20 Ohms, what is the justification for that maximum value?


    Probably to provide a credible means of earthing the neutral of site based generation normally intended to work in synchronization, but capable of working in island mode


    The 20 Ohm value is widely used for this purpose.


    They might as well have said 10 Ohms, then we could use it for lightning protection as well - which would fit in with SPD issues


    It's also possibly useful for EV Charging purposes


    At the moment, all we have now is an alphabet soup - which JPEL 64 aren't managing to arrange the letters into some cohesive text, that industry professionals can read, understand and utilize


    Regards


    OMS




     


  • So is this in anticipation of “Prosumers” going off-grid or being treated as an electric supplier?


    Andy B.
  • Sparkingchip:

    So is this in anticipation of “Prosumers” going off-grid or being treated as an electric supplier?


    Andy B.


    Both, but predominantly island-mode operation where the Regulations [already] say (and have done for some time) that if you have local generation that operates when the DNO supply is lost, you can't rely on the DNO means of earthing (although there's nothing to stop it remaining connected, and that would usually be best practice)


  • If the fall back position is TT then it doesn’t need to be as low as 20 ohms, but it’s too high for the TNCS lost neutral scenario.


    It doesn’t come over as one thing or the other.


    Andy Betteridge
  • Former Community Member
    0 Former Community Member
    Although to be fair, Graham, I could achieve all that is currenty required for site generation with an earth electrode totally independently of any foundation earthing.


    Presumably this is JPEL 64 trying to incorporate CENELEC requirements into UK codes, where they have been present in other European codes for a while. eg IEC 60364-5-54, DIN 18015-1 and the technical connection conditions published by German network operators require that a foundation earth electrode be installed for every new building, as one example. Similar requirements exist in France


    Regards