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Wago’s / conductor preparation

Hi


I find myself using the lever 221 wago’s more and more now mainly for lighting circuits but have a question regarding conductor preparation prior to insertion in the wago once the required amount of insulation is stripped off. A solid conductor seems to just go straight in but do you twist a stranded cable and a flexible cable or put them in untwisted? I can’t find any guidance on the box or on the wago website. What do other users of these great little inventions do with them?


Thanks


  • I have to admit that with stranded cable I do twist the strands into a more solid mass when using chock blocks or into a neutral or earth bar in a consumer unit as it avoids splaying out from the screw. With wago’s however I put them in as they are when stripped as the strands tend to spread out along the contact bar which seems to make a better connection. Mostly on small sized cables up to probably 2.5mm
  • mapj1:

    Much better than choc bloc in any application where it may thermally cycle or shake loose - we use them a lot  in vehicle/ genset settings - if you want them tidy ,they make little brackets that can be screwed to the wall of a box or clipped to a DIN rail, but it is rarely necessary.

    picture here



    or for the smaller bodied ones order part nr 221-500



    ...Having thought about this a bit more, if spring-loaded lever operated connectors are reliable and don't come loose due to thermal or vibration effects, should they not be integrated into wiring accessories instead of screwed type terminals?  Also, what about MCBs?  No doubt that they would need a more robust version but I could see lever operated terminals being quite convenient and safer! 


  • Having thought about this a bit more, if spring-loaded lever operated connectors are reliable and don't come loose due to thermal or vibration effects, should they not be integrated into wiring accessories instead of screwed type terminals? Also, what about MCBs? No doubt that they would need a more robust version but I could see lever operated terminals being quite convenient and safer!

    Such things are already quite common around the world - both in accessories and MCBs. As ever the UK seems a bit slow on the uptake.

       - Andy.
  • I saw a guy in a YouTube video crimp ferrules onto the stranded conductors before inserting them into Wago piano connectors.


    That is not something I would consider good practice.


    Andy B.
  • Dutch of the Elm:

    ...Having thought about this a bit more, if spring-loaded lever operated connectors are reliable and don't come loose due to thermal or vibration effects, should they not be integrated into wiring accessories instead of screwed type terminals?  Also, what about MCBs?  No doubt that they would need a more robust version but I could see lever operated terminals being quite convenient and safer! 



    Well, you clearly have not fitted any of  these yet...  Screwless plugs & sockets. You do need a tool to open the backshell  back up again, but a pen knife will do. Once inside it is just fingers.



    BS1363 is someway behind the curve...


    For the consumer unit,  Wago 'TopJob' Din rail connectors go up to about 100A and the 16mm2 variant terminal would do for MCBs - the springs are strong enough to do your little finger serious injury if you put it in the cable hole and flick the lever... Again, great on vehicles and so forth.




  • Regarding spring-loaded 'quick-connectors' on accessories in at least some other countries...


    - Someone here mentioned  terminals on the output of a Hager AFDD in another thread, a few weeks ago.  


    - The US has its "back-stab receptacles" - see the picture "Stab-In Connection to Neutral Bus" for how the wire is held in a very simple configuration of spring-edge against flat. This is quite a similar principle to some European sockets I've seen with very simple, low-cost quick connectors.

    The wago connector shown below is quite different, as the wire first passes through an eye - making it hard to avoid getting all strands through - and it is then clamped there with a nice little bend that helps it not slip. (These pictures are not meant to show a good way to prepare the conductor; they're the first I found in my assortment.)
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    - A lot of schuko sockets, light-switches, and even CEE (3-phase) 16 A sockets and plugs, that I've seen in Sweden, have gone over to quick-connector terminals. However, my experience is that these are usually not at all as nice as the piano Wagos.

    It may feel ok getting a wire in, but getting it out of some models can be hard and can bend the spring teeth making them clearly not as tight next time. There's generally a knack, such as to hold in a fiddly little release button or insert a screwdriver, and to push the conductor a little inwards and then draw it out with a gentle wiggle. There's also the matter of what happens to the strands of the commonly used 7-strand 1.5 or 2.5 mm2 conductors (used in conduit) when pushed in: some models make it easy for these to splay out internally, not making good contact but not obvious from the outside. Twisting helps for this, but it's not obvious that twisting is the overall best choice, though I tend to do it anyway as I worry more about having few strands in contact than about having a smaller contact area to the terminal. I've not come across a strongly 'evidence-based' recommendation either way. Manufacturers don't usually mention twisting. 

    I've taken many of these switches or schuko sockets to pieces to see how the conductors are held and released, and whether I really want to use them in long term installations. Still, I prefer to pay extra for the screw versions - which usually are a bit more like a small cage than a screw-tunnel. A view I heard from an  installation inspector was to 'ask the fire service' about which is the better choice. They meant there are more problems with the quick-connectors, but I really doubt that the installed populations of different types are well known, and it's not fair to compare the good and bad quality designs all together within the categories of "screw versus quick", and there's the matter of whether users have followed the instructions about bared length etc. 

    Anyway, although some of the accessories with quick-connectors seem nice, many feel only really quick for assembly, and not very solid. If the manufacturers would have terminals like the piano Wago I'd be much happier. Perhaps the rather chunky nature of multiple solid-core 2.5 mm2 conductors into BS1363 sockets, with little clearance room in the back-box, is one reason for not trying quick connectors yet. When it happens, I hope it's not done following the cheapest practice. I can imagine a good design would be very convenient and could be better than trying to get three or four conductors held properly in a tunnel or cage. 


    I was just going to mention that I don't remember seeing spring-loaded connectors above about 30 A, when I saw mapj1's comment and picture. Impressive. 

  • Nathaniel:

    Perhaps the rather chunky nature of multiple solid-core 2.5 mm2 conductors into BS1363 sockets, with little clearance room in the back-box, is one reason for not trying quick connectors yet. When it happens, I hope it's not done following the cheapest practice. I can imagine a good design would be very convenient and could be better than trying to get three or four conductors held properly in a tunnel or cage.


    Surprisingly, BS 1363 includes specifications for screwless terminals, but all I could find online was sockets with screwless face plates. Each conductor is to be clamped separately, which is pretty reasonable when you consider the difficulty that would arise if 4 mm² cable were to be looped in and out. At least three clamps would be necessary for the live conductors.


  • Nathaniel:

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    I was just going to mention that I don't remember seeing spring-loaded connectors above about 30 A, when I saw mapj1's comment and picture. Impressive. 

     


    Just for interest, I know Weidmuller also do a range of screwless terminals eg ZDU range that goes up to 35mm2 (125A) and includes a wide set of approvals including IECEx & ATEX.


  • Thanks for spotting those - I was aware of the low current Wiedmuller ones (where you need a screwdriver or similar as the release tool ) I had not realised they now also went up to "finger nipping good" sizes as well.    They do ones for 3 wires  for and front entry as well,  an without the levers are neater in some cases.

    Mike