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£30k fine for landlords who do not provide a valid EICR for their rental properties

Legh Richardson
Is this actually true or is it some estate agent cashing in on lost income?

The reason why I ask, what appears to be a daft question, is that a friend has just received notification from the estate agent who sold the property 15 years ago that their property, which is now being rented, must be inspected and tested for compliance to 18th ed. Not that I was unaware of this requirement!

I just thought the £30k punishment for disobedience was a little steep. Or maybe  'bribery and corruption' or  'threatening behaviour' was the new Inspection and testing idiom.?

Legh
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    Zoom,

    you`re a man after my own heart.

    We think pretty much in the same way.

    Ref treat a customer like you would your own family, yes that`s my ethos too.


    But.


    Yes the little very low cost corrections, like you I`d do with customer consent, either prior consent or at the time I find it.

    Yes Bod it does irk that I`m correcting someone`s p p work and they`re getting away with it. If I see a danger I will remove it (with customer consent).


    If I see something that is an "F1" then, with permission I would investigate and correct but explain it`s an additional charge or I`d disconnect with consent. If permission was not granted to correct or disconnect I`d oyng them to death until they say OK, it usually works. What you can`t (ok must not do) is without consent.

    The best way to get consent is to explain things in a reasonable way and get them to decide to ask you to do such, a bit of "physcology" usually works. If that fails then a quiet word with one of their trusted friends or relatives usually works.


    As I said, an F1 (A genuine F1) is an unsatisfactory because it has not yet proved to be satisfactory, on investigation it may become a C3 or better but then again it might be a C1 or C2 lurking if left asit is.


    I always asks meeself "what can I reasonably do"


    Actually I must admit that a few times I have explained to a customer "I needed to do XXX, because I could not reasonably leave as is for XXX reasons, there is an extra charge but it is voluntary because you did not ask me to do it. If you think I have been reasonable and decide to pay me then that`s fine but you are not obliged to pay me in full or in part, it`s up to you, if you want to discuss this with a friend or relative first then that`s ok too". On the very few times I`ve done that they`ve always happily  paid, so far.


    PS - how do you spell "oyng" as in pester ?



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    perspicacious:
    fitting a blank cover in a consumer unit where there is a hole etc. These are easy to undertake when you have your tools to hand, and it saves the customer money. This is called customer service and is normally much appreciated.


    It simply lets yet another bad electrician's workmanship get approval.................


    Regards


    BOD


    Improves the situation, makes it safer and allows a "satisfactory" result.


    Z.


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    Sparkingchip:
    Chris Pearson:

    Sometimes I think back and miss Norfolk. ?






    I ended up within twenty miles this week, it’s a bit too flat over there for me.




    You obviously missed the Beeston Regis Hills Andy.


    Z.


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    Improves the situation, makes it safer and allows a "satisfactory" result.


    Yeah, it is really "satisfactory" condoning poor workmanship..............


    Regards


    BOD
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    Compare this with motorcycles, and bicycles. Many more people are injured and killed using these than are, due to electricity. Why are these not banned, and the resulting lives saved and injury prevented? The has to be a balance in all things, and the balance is probably about right for electricity, if not tending to be excessively careful.


    Motorcycles eh? By themselves they are not dangerous. It is the rider that can be the cause of danger. Correctly used and maintained they are reasonably safe until driven into, where the user has little protection compared to a car with its crash zones and air bags.

    Indonesian motorcyclist narrowly avoids death at a level crossing | Daily Mail Online


    Z.


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    perspicacious:
    BOD, I think that's unfair. What's the alternative - C1 if the busbar is exposed, C2 otherwise? Then you come back and claim your minimum 1 hour fee or whatever to fix it.


    Hmm. Issue an unsatisfactory to record danger present and then correct and issue a satisfactory. 


    Regards


    BOD




    If I arrive on the job and the customer is present I ask them where the consumer unit or fuse board is is, then when they show me where it is I lift the cover, If there is one, and if there’s a missing blank I simply say “Bloody hell, that’s dangerous there’s a blank missing and someone could touch the live busbar, it’s failed the EICR”. That usually sets the pace.


    Just tell them like it is, if they try to tell you it’s not that bad just pass comment it would be great fun trying to open the consumer unit in the dark after the lights have tripped using the torch on a mobile phone with that little death trap waiting to catch someone out.


    Spare blanks are in the testing bag with labels.


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