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Is a QS entitled to sign off an EICR?

Chris Pearson
Open to debate, but I say no.


The whole concept of QS seems to be a creation of NICEIC, but I can see the point of it. If I am employed by DZ Electrical and make a mess of things, the company is vicariously responsible for my errors. I cannot be sued. So it would be in the interests of DZ Electrical to ensure that I am competent to work for them.


However, I suggest that an EICR is personal. The model form in Appendix 6 (page 473) has a declaration, but includes the name and signature of the inspector and tester as well as whoever authorises the report.

651.5 The periodic inspection and testing shall be carried out by one or more skilled persons competent in such work. Skilled person is defined in Part 2. If the identity of the inspector and tester is not disclosed, how may I as the client know that he or she is skilled?


The Electrical Safety Standards in the Private Rented Sector (England) Regulations 2020 require that A private landlord ... must ... ensure that every electrical installation in the residential premises is inspected and tested at regular intervals by a qualified person and qualified person is defined as a person competent to undertake the inspection and testing required under regulation 3(1) and any further investigative or remedial work in accordance with the electrical safety standards.


If the identity of the inspector and tester is not revealed, how could the landlord possibly ensure that he (or she) is qualified?


So, in my opinion, at the very least for a private landlord's report, the EICR must be signed off by the inspector and tester. I might go further and suggest that the report should include the inspector's qualifications.
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    OlympusMons

    The information on any particular one is only taken as examples, and there will be no individual comeback from me. You may redact (cover over) the address inspected and the signatures if you wish, this is a fairly broad survey of what is being written by inspectors. I am studying the quality of EICR reports, and the kinds of things being picked up and coded but am not after any particular electricians or companies with this. That is not my job (or the IET for that matter), what is important is whether the regulations are working in the intended manner and whether the training of inspectors is adequate.


    I do comment along with others on particularly "interesting" examples here as do others, but that is to assist other electricians or members of the public with doubts about what they are being told. That is in essence a different problem and does no one's reputation any good if poor EICRs are being issued. I do not follow up on these except for a few of my clients who have received dubious reports. I do not want to be the EICR Police! In fact, I would like a few good ones as well, thanks to anyone who sends anything. Please include your email and phone so that I may ask further questions. Perhaps limitations are a problem?

    davezawadi (at) yahoo.co.uk. 075-78-997-199. (NOT 999!)

    Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions, either here on the forum or by more private means. I would use PMs (personal messages) but they are a pain to use for random people!

    Kind regards

    David
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    The biggest problem with this, as I see it, is that only "failed" EICRs will be drawn to our attention. Even then, it is likely that only unfairly failed EICRs will be reported. Landlords who have been given a "pass" when it is not merited will not complain. In the same way, I am not going to complain if the brakes were not tested on an MOT - details on request!


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    "  "failed" EICRs will be drawn to our attention ".

    Are there any other types Chris?

    almost as rare as a Unicorn even when a "Fair" EICR is undertaken

    Relaxed
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    I will tell you a good story about MOT brakes one day Chris!


    I will explain what I need again because it was probably not as clear as I would like.

    I am sure that some of you get called to give a "second opinion" or to do the reparations after an EICR. Just the sheets of results is not it, I need the evidence that they are wrong, photos are great as are alternative measured values etc. If you find a particularly bad installation yourself I am still interested in the evidence, and your EICR, no comeback of course if I don't agree with your findings, I won't even mention it here! The property address, inspector or company names may be removed but please leave affiliations still shown, ECA, NICEIC, NAPIT etc. This is not a beauty (or lack of it) competition, I am trying to make a fair handed assessment of this part of the Industry and the relevant regulations.
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    An aside: Well done on your FIET John (Just noticed)


    Colin

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