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Range Cooker Connection Refusal.

A lady today asked me to estimate to do some cooker circuit alterations in her house. She has an old electric range cooker in the kitchen which she is to replace with a new one rated at about 11.2kW.

 

A certain national electrical retailer would not connect up her new and paid for range cooker as the cooker supply is run in 10.00mm2 T&E and protected by a B50 M.C.B. plus R.C.D.

 

The reason given was that the supply is too big and will overload the new cooker.

 

The retailer insisted that the  B50 M.C.B. be replaced by a B40 M.C.B. and the final cooker connection from connection unit to cooker, be run in 6.0mm2, the 10.002 final connection being removed.

 

Comments please.

 

Z.

 

 

 

 

  • I fully understand the points you are making Graham, and it seems to have touched a nerve with everyone. However BS7671 is NOT the place to attempt to fix design difficulties with appliances, and we keep trying to do it, particularly with EVs at the moment!

    I see where you are coming from with your element point, but this fault is really not very dangerous is it? If the element gets a fault in the centre, it will take twice the current and get 4 times the dissipation in the half section which will rapidly lead to melting of the element. This current will not give a dangerous volt drop on the Earth connection. You can calculate the worst-case fault position but it is very unlikely to raise the Earth voltage for very long to a dangerous potential (>50V). The RCD is thus protecting against an unlikely scenario, that is not dangerous, the CPD protects the high current cases. I have no objection to fitting RCDs, but is this really a case where BS7671 should take over, I think not?

    Wall warts are a particularly bad case, but the two types are both pretty much intrinsically safe to the user, transformer ones by the primary winding (usually less than 1A fusing capacity) and the switch mode ones by component s or tracks blowing open circuit. The lack of fusing in other appliances is probably because the UK has much higher rated socket circuits than much of Europe, and our input to the EU standards process has been inadequate or ineffective. Looking around my own house I see very few products that do not have some kind of internal overload protection, whether intentional or not.

    Your point about instructions is interesting, that manufacturers may use them in ways to minimise their difficulties rather than to give exact compliant instructions to BS7671 installation only. This should receive some discussion at some point because I don't think that is the intention of the wording in BS7671 about instructions.

     

  • I think this needs some new regulations in BS7671 because I recently had a case in point.

    A new build, a hall, was designed as a timber-framed structure with all the wiring hidden inside the wall panels. The surface of these was covered with a layer of waferboard and two layers of acoustic plasterboard and skimmed.  There is no provision at all to ever change any wiring or to deal with possible faults or damage. Why accessible ducts were not provided is now a severe problem as some of the wiring (not mains) has been damaged and is impossible to access, and only surface routes that would be very anti-aesthetic are possible. I think the whole installation is not compliant with 513.1, but this must be the fault of the architects, not the electricians responsible for the design, as the only option to them was to hide the wiring in the walls. There was no Electrical Consultant appointed. Further investigation is required!