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18th Edition training is it only for electricians?

I am writing to request assistance from a technical query related to 18th Edition Wiring regulation. I am told that this training is only for electricians and no other engineers. Is this correct?

What it is, I am a qualified Electrical Engineer from academics in HV and energy engineering and never worked on LV installations or related where some digging involvement required too before then. In my employment, my electrical manager who was also HV and LV qualified booked me on the 18th edition training but then he left and another manager I was given who is Mechanical  has said that the 18th edition is for electricians or NVQ only and that my academics qualifications are enough and that I should carry the LV installations works but I am not comfortable because I have not worked on LV installations as such and concerns of H&S. He is saying that I don't need the training at all because I have a master in HV engineering and I tried to explain that they are not the same and regulations are different but not listened too. Could you assist with this and provide your comment from a professional point of view?  That means he want to take me off this training and that I should not attend this training?

My background is: A qualified Electrical Power Engineer with no LV installations background or related, would this not be reasonable to attend? or would academic and HV qualification mean that the person can carry out 18th edition LV installation works on industrial or domestic type of environment without the 18th edition?

  • Whilst that might be true Andy, my experience of the 18th edition course results says that very few are adequately qualified, whatever bit of paper they had. The exam pass mark is 60%, and not many got 80% or above although it is an open book exam, and it is quite possible to find every answer in the blue book in the time allowed (I have done this myself as a test). I would say that sensibly the pass mark should be 90%, as any less is potentially dangerous, and any more and almost no one would pass. The biggest shock to me is that very few candidates know how to use an index or have enough basic knowledge to know what to look for in many of the questions. My only conclusion must be that the training courses are very inadequate, which considering how much they cost is absolutely ridiculous. Some candidates had not even seen a copy of BS7671 before, or turned up with an onsite guide!

  • A ditto from me DaveZ

  • Actually I think they should be able to get say 75% plus without seeing the book

  • Actually. On a four choice question you might have a random chance of getting 25% or thereabouts. Does this mean that a person getting 10% or 5% or 0% actually might be cleverer that a person getting around 50%. Makes you think dunnit? ?

  • ebee: 
    Actually. On a four choice question you might have a random chance of getting 25% or thereabouts.

    In the University of Pennsylvania Smell Identification Test, subjects have to identify 40 scratch and sniff odours with a 4-way multiple choice for each. If you really cannot smell anything, you should still get around 25%, but if the score is significantly below 10/40, the subject is malingering, i.e. deliberately selecting a wrong answer.

    So yes, you could get significantly below 25%, but only if you know what you are doing. ?

  • davezawadi (David Stone): 
     

    The biggest shock to me is that very few candidates know how to use an index or have enough basic knowledge to know what to look for in many of the questions. 

    But most people use an internet or page search to look things up on electronic devices, they don't handle books.

    I have said it before, I finished my exam with time to spare but could not get out of the room without disturbing other people, so I sat and watched as others finished their exams.

    Many had added zillions of tabs to their books and highlighted sections, they did not and could not just pick a regs book up and flick through it until they saw what they were looking for as the book was unfamiliar to them.

    Neither could they start at the index at the front of the book and work their way in, rather than going to the indexes at the back of the book and working their way back.

  • In UK

  • Same as you qualifications and experience don't necessary tell that you are highly qualified for the 18th Edition.

  • Thank you. I have challenged this also because being qualified Electrical Power Engineer not necessary mean that you are highly qualified therefore no need for the 18th Edition course when tasked in LV installation works.

  • Me too, I considered it that way because with qualifications and experiences which not covered the 18th edition course could benefits from it, adapt and learn quicker when involved in related works instead of saying that no need for it only for electricians!