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ELECTRICAL INSTALLATION CONDITION REPORT. LIMITATIONS.

Zoomup

Page 519 of B.S. 7671 18th Edition.

We do not normally inspect cables hidden under floorboards, concealed in walls or in roof spaces. Perhaps we should despite the disruption. I have just carried out an inspection and test of an old bungalow where Mr. Bodger was the previous owner. I have found many horrors. I had to dismantle some woodwork in the corner of a room where the cupboard contained numerous dangerous horrors, including the item pictured below. It supplied an immersion heater in the loft. I had to gain access to the cupboard to extend cables and provide correct junction boxes to replace choc-block joints.

Z.

  • Zoomy,

    reminds me as the same tongue-in- cheek story posted by Zs a few years back, I started reading it and thought "what! does Zs think it OK to wire a fluorescent fitting without an earthwire and in bellwire?" . I soon realised that it could not be the Zs we all know. turned out Zs was having a little chuckle to wind us up and pre-told of this tale before putting it on the forum (a couple of the "uncles" or so - say Bod, OMS, JP etc).

    Zoom I think you are winding us up in the same manner as Zs did back then

  • in reply to Zoomup

    I refer you to the comments made by mapj1 reply 4.

  • in reply to AJJewsbury

    Strictly speaking, the definition of "electrical equipment" would include a choc block as part of a wiring system, but I take it to exclude ordinary cables because of the wording in the EICR. Electrical equipment might be a TV aerial amplifier (though it could well be easier to stream nowadays), an extractor fan, or even the control box for a PV array ± battery.

  • in reply to ebee

    No wind up all. Here are more photos of Mr. Bodger's work. Most hidden under loft insulation, and some open to view.

    Ref. double pole immersion heater switch. C.P.C. cut back and not used. I suppose you can't use a C.P.C. if the two earth terminal screws are missing!

    Immersion heater supply wired in ordinary P.V.C./P.V.C. cable.

    Z.

  • in reply to Zoomup

    Are those splices with choc blocks under yards of tape really a mortal sin? OK, they are double-badger, but are they unsafe?

  • in reply to Chris Pearson

    526.3 and 526.5 Chris. Every connection shall be accessible for inspection, testing and maintenance. So hidden joints in walls or under thermal insulation are NOT in compliance with B.S. 7671. And, considering the state of the first example that I showed, I can not trust that any others in the installation will be mechanically and electrically good. Especially if covered in sticky tape.

    Z.

  • A running thread with EICR pictures could be very interesting on here.  I get some crackers as i'm sure we all do some times if you'll excuse the pun.  Slight smile

  • in reply to aligarjon

    And the no of those 'crackers' in buildings where a sticker on the CU assures you it was recently tested as OK might surprise some more desk based readers . One mans reasonable sample may not be the same as the previous, or the next, and as above there is neither time nor money to justify a level of rigour that will never ever let something  through the net. such is life.

    What puzzles me sometimes is the level of effort that some folk put into a terrible job, when doing it properly would have been faster and cheaper.

    Mike

  • in reply to mapj1
    mapj1 said:
    What puzzles me sometimes is the level of effort that some folk put into a terrible job, when doing it properly would have been faster and cheaper.

    Do it right, do it once!

  • in reply to Chris Pearson

    What really shocks me Chris is that I carried out a thorough Inspection and Test. I was then asked to undertake repairs/remedial work. It was only then that I truly discovered many previously missed hidden horrors.

    Z.

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