Maximum and Minimum fault currents

Bit confused, I was reading this in a book called modern wiring practices

Calculation minimum fault current 3P 3 wire.

Ipp = VL / 2zp

Ipp  - phase / Phase PSSC

VL - Line voltage

2zp inpedance of one phase only

So using 400V

In the design guide its.

Ief = Cmin Uo / Zx + CrZd + Cr'Z1 +Cr"Z2 + Cr'"Zpen

So using 230V


EIDG tells us A fault across three phases is considered the worst case....

and we get Cmax Uo / Zx +Zd

Again voltage to earth is used.

But basically a bit unsure why 230V is used to calculate 3 phase fault current and not 400V

Any help really appreciated. Thanks

  • Apologies for not noticing earlier. This should have been posted in the Wiring and the Regulations forum as it relates directly to BS 7671 and its guidance publications.

    I think you have mis-interpreted the phrase "A fault across three phases is considered worst-case" ... this is a three-phase bolted fault across all phases, not a  line-to-line fault.

    In a three-phase bolted fault across all phases, where all live conductors are connected together, and the fault current returns via Neutral or PEN. Hence, it is the line-Neutral voltage that is used.

    The maximum line-to-line fault current must take into account the impedance of each line and each phase winding, and therefore using the same symbols as present in Section 6.3.2 of the IET Electrical Installation Design Guide, 5th Edition, would be:

    Ipf(L-L) = UOC(L-L)/[2×(Zx+Zd)]

    As you point out, UOC(L-L)=√(3)×UOC, and therefore we get:

    Ipf(L-L) = √(3)×UOC/[2×(Zx+Zd)] ≅ √(3)×CmaxUO/[2×(Zx+Zd)]

    Hence:

    Ipf(L-L) ≅ [√(3)/2]×CmaxU0/(Zx+Zd) = [√(3)/2]×Ipf where Ipf is the bolted fault current across all three phases and neutral or PEN as above.

    Quite simply, because [√(3)/2] < 1, mathematically Ipf(L-L) < Ipf. Or in plain English, the line-line prospective fault current is less than the three-phase-to-neutral bolted fault current.

    Hopefully, this demonstrates why the maximum prospective fault current occurs not line-to-line, but between all lines and Neutral or PEN, and why U0 is used rather than U0×√(3).

  • Moderators, please could this be re-located to Wiring and the Regulations ? It relates to the Electrical Installation Design Guide, which is all about calculations to BS 7671.

  • The assumption is as per Grahams explanation above, and if it helps you with the visualization of why, consider that  for any fault current down any one line is set by the voltage at the driving end of the line - 230V to ground 400V to any other phase- and the difference between that and whatever the voltage is at the fault end.

    In this case the fault end voltage is the point of 3 wire junction - which, if all 3 fault currents are equal is exactly zero. So the full 230V appears along each line.

    In contrast in the single phase fault, the fault end voltage rises by the drop in the return path - and usually L and N are assumed the same cross-section so half the voltage (115V) on the line and the other half on the way back,

    Handily then having done a single phase PSSC test, (with 115V along the line) and double it and say 'calculated 3 wire fault current'

    But be aware that all this assumes all 3 phases lines and the neutral return path, are all the same impedance, are the same. That is not always quite true but is close enough for most purposes.

    And for fun, the fault current between any 2 phases puts the fault point midway along the phase to phase voltage, so 200V along each line, and a fault so the current  is  200 / 115 = 1.7 or so of the single phase test result.

    Mike.

  • Thank you both for the replies. very much appreciate it..

    Just to put some numbers in Zx = 0.02 and Zd = 0.15 

    Uoc = Open circuit line-to-neutral voltage

    Ipf(L-L) = UOC(L-L)/[2×(Zx+Zd)]   

    230 ÷ 0.17 x 2 =   230 ÷ 0.34 =676A

    I see this as the impedance of the winding plus R1e (External) multiplied by 2 to account for the neutral ?  but the neutral won't have a winding impedance , so I would have thought 2x Zd + Zx.
    Im obviously wrong in my thinking , just trying to grasp it...

    Ipf = 676A

    As you point out, UOC(L-L)=√(3)×UOC, and therefore we get:

    Ipf(L-L) = √(3)×UOC/[2×(Zx+Zd)] ≅ √(3)×CmaxUO/[2×(Zx+Zd)]

    1.73 x 230 ÷ 0.34 = 1171A    ≈  1.73 x1.1 x 230 ÷ 0.34 =  437 ÷ 0.34 = 1287A
    Ipf = 1287

    Hence:

    Ipf(L-L) ≅ [√(3)/2]×CmaxU0/(Zx+Zd) = [√(3)/2]×Ipf where Ipf is the bolted fault current across all three phases and neutral or PEN as above.

    0.86 x 1.1 x 230 ÷ 0.17 = 217.58 ÷ 0.17 = 1279A   = 0.86 x 1287 (?) = 1106A`

    √3 ÷ 2 x 1.1 =0.95  which is the factor for Cmin ??

    Ipf = 1106

  • ah well the winding impedance is one of the many things that means the resistance of the 2 paths may not be quite divided as I suggested

    But this can also be estimated at least if you can read the rating plate - binoculars may help - an upper limit might be 5% volt drop at full load on the winding. (rather less on a modern low loss transformer.)

    Unless the TX is in the same building, usually the distribution cable dominates - i.e. after the first few tens of metres.

    Mike.


  • √3 ÷ 2 x 1.1 =0.95  which is the factor for Cmin ??

    In this case, 0.95 from the calculation you provided above is a mere coincidence.

    Cmin = 0.95 ["for supplies to ESQCR" I believe its how you will find it described in BS 7671 and IET Guidance] simply comes from the fact that in the UK, the public supply voltage variation according to ESQCR is 230 V + 10 % / - 4 % (and 5 % is roughly the same as 4 %). Cmin = 0.95 applies to both U and U0.

  • "according to ESQCR is 230 V + 10 % / - 4 % (and 5 % is roughly the same as 4 %). Cmin = 0.95 applies to both U and U0"

    Shouldn't that be 230V + 10% / - 6% ? Thus Cmin should actually be 0.94.

    Is 5% nearer 6% than 4%?

  • Yes, sorry ... long day yesterday. Upside down

  • In a three-phase bolted fault across all phases, where all live conductors are connected together, and the fault current returns via Neutral or PEN. Hence, it is the line-Neutral voltage that is used.

    Not sure what you mean Graham, in such a fault one assumes that there will be no current in the neutral. It is irrelevant whether it is present or not, the maximum fault current being Uo*1.1/ Zp. 

  • very true - you could have a 3 phase supply without neutral and a phase-phase-phase fault would still be the worst case.

    Mike