Main Earth Conductor Current (Bridge structure TN-C-S)

I have recently been tasked with carrying out some Inspection & Testing on a critical infrastructure graded bridge as part of a short term contracting position. 

I was sent out with the companies "Lead" electrician who is in the practice of making up paperwork/test results and trying to "look" busy whilst finding as much time as possible to dedicate to internet browsing. It put me in a bit of a pickle because I couldn't be a part of that when I'm part of the team responsible despite my signature not being asked for.

So I took the apprentice and decided to do some test & inspection. The particular job was a 3 yearly Inspection of the lighting and power circuits on the towers part of the bridge. There are three phase power circuits, three phase lighting circuits (phases split in the bridge but haven't yet found where) and single phase 110 volt sockets. 

The bridge is extensively metal. Every location where internal circuits are installed one is surrounded by box sections of steel bolted together.

The supply arrangement confirmed only by measurement (0.12 ohms) is TN-C-S fed from an adjacent 11KV transformer inside the bridge bowels sat on a concrete plinth in the basement. 

The inspection and testing has proven challenging due to scale, access and lack of prior adequate records  and I am still gathering evidence between juggling our other basic maintenance and reactive maintenance tasks. We were allotted 2 weeks to complete the lighting and power testing and had no schematics or location drawings to aid us everything has been visually verified and proven by testing. The area these circuits covers is huge and original installation between 1983 and 1985 with additions over the years. 

Wiring is almost entirely SWA, potentially some MICC left in the circuits.

Anyway that's the background. My concerns are as follows:

1. A reading as high as 730 mili amps - Taken with a clamp meter on the main earth supply from the HV/LV Transformer to MET. 

2. Suitability of a TN-C-S supply when surrounded by steel work and stood on a potentially great conductor. 

3. I have not been able to verify visually, or by test, the presence of main bonding conductors for the structural steel - This is due to the cable tray behind the main switch gear being inaccessible for visual inspection however I can see an unsheathed copper conductor, either 35mm or 50mm sq leaving the void. I have not worked out where the void enters the structure and require a long wander lead to carry out further investigation.

4. Due to limitations I had to test the final lighting circuit I.R at 250v with line & neutral connected together to earth. We have old 3c +N  PILC sub mains cables where the armouring is the CPC excellent I.R results > 700 Mega ohms some better than 999 Mega ohms. However on the PVC swa final lighting circuits we have readings as low as 0.4 megaohms and lots of them. Some are fine at 37-50 Mega ohms. The circuits are protected by BS88 10 amp fuses and have a mixture of LED and Fluorescent lighting.

5. There are a myriad of "end of line" points because the circuits have not been wired from point A-Z. Instead we have a main trunk in the towers with innumerous spurs off the main branch. Initially I was carrying out ZS readings (Live using insulated gloves) for convenience and to get a rough idea of Zs condition. However at some point I started to suspect the potential for parallel paths was almost certain given that many of the old fluorescent lights are metal clad, have bonding straps to the case from the cpc and are fixed to the steel by Unistrut fixings and similar providing earth continuity to the structural steel. 

6. I do not know if there is any continuity between the bridge structure and "true" earth, either by an intentional electrical conductor or by the natural design of the structure.

7. Reduced voltage readings were observed at several lighting junction boxes between 83 and 153 volts. No labelling and no way to determine circuit and phase. 415 is present in some JB's

8. Multicore swa cables some with 8 conductors, have not been identified in anyway. I am most concerned that neutral and cpc's have been mixed and the bridge is forming a neutral.

This inspection has me wanting to pull the main fuses and hand it to the client in a sealed skull and cross bone bag. If I were to go off coding, individually there are no C1 faults. But as a whole, without other records, design data and further verification I have reasons to suspect it could be extremely unsafe and due to the age, vibration and hot cold fluctuations if a fault does occur, at this stage I cannot say how risky it is.

I have all my guidance notes here and am preparing a customised report with photographs, test results etc. 

I am seriously concerned with the possibility of the PEN conductor being lost, and where would that 700 or so miliamps flow to? I have no reference earth to use.

My main recommendation is that the bridge requires a robust bonding system, and a back up TT earth system which is tested regularly due to general public pathway on the bridge (Being metal) contractors and employee's traversing the internal bare metal structure daily.

I would really appreciate your thoughts 

  • Firstly the "Lead" electrician is engaging in criminal behavior in that he, by way of trade produces a document that is false or misleading. Maximum penalty on conviction an unlimited fine and/or up to 2 years imprisonment. I have been involved in investigations for this offence and have had 2 cases go all the way to the Crown Court.

    You cannot conclude that the earthing system is TN-C-S by measurement of any current flowing in the earthing conductor. As Tatty says if there is an on-site transformer the method of earthing is highly likely to be TN-S. You should be able to see the supply from the Tx. to the main panel or DB to verify that there is a separate earth and neutral. It may be TN-C-S (PNB) if there is a neutral earth link in the main panel? 

    Measurment of current flowing in the earthing conductor and main main protective bonding will include network circulating currents.

    To answer Chris's question to measure earth leakage on an installtion or a circuit you use an earth leakage clamp meter and clamp all of the live conductors but not not any protective conductors. As for the magnitude of the earth leakage that would depend on the size of the installation, the lenghth of the circuit conductors and connected equipment. For an average domestic installation 1-2ma per circuit. My home installation with shed loads of electronic equipment and an amateur radio station has a standing earth lekage of 11mA on a 15 way consumer unit split over 2 No. RCDs.

    As for the usual nonsense trotted out by the non-comptent persons that the installation was installed to an earlier version of the wiring regulations must have been safe then so any non-compliances mustt be C3s is rubbish. The installation highly likely did not conform to the wiring regulations at the time and will have degraded with age and use. Also the wiring regulations change to improve the safety for users and persons coming in to contact with the installation. The installtion should be inspected and tested  for compliance with the current edition of BS 7671, see IET Guidance Note 3.

    Periodic Inspection and Testing is different to Initial Verification. Periodic Inspection and Testing majors on inspection not testing. Chapter 65 of BS 7671 sets out the requirments for this and does not specify any particulat tests to be applied only "supplemented by appropriate tests as necessary..............

    In the case what was the agreed Extent of the installation to be inspected and tested and what were the agreed Limitations?

    As for the bonding of the bridge structure does it fit the requirement for an extraneous condcutive part bearing in mind it is near impossible to create an equipotetial zone outside of a building. That said I would advise bonding of the bridge structure as it provides many parallel paths to earth which will speed up disconection times and lower touch volatges and has a good contact with the genral mass of earth.

    In respect of entering enclosed areas of the bridge what does your RAMS say about this? Also is this a BS 7671 706 special location?

    JP

  • As for the magnitude of the earth leakage that would depend on the size of the installation, the lenghth of the circuit conductors and connected equipment. For an average domestic installation 1-2ma per circuit.

    John, thank you. It is a lot more than that. I am beginning to wonder whether the neutral joint in the street has become a bit resitive with a parallel path down the gas pipes. (Water supply is plastic.)

  • Chris

    An urgent investigation is required.

    You don't say how much current is flowing in your protective conductors?

    The symptoms of a lost neutral,  or a high resistance neutral, on a PME installation are, high currents flowing in protective conductors (Neutral Current Diversion NCD), over and under voltages and exposed and extraneous parts becoming live with respect to the general mass of earth ie tingles when touched and dimming of lights when high current loads are switched on. The currents and voltages will vary depending on the position of the neutral fault on the supply, the loading and load balance on the network

    Time to investigate. Clamp the earthing and main protective bonds and measure the current flowing in them, do not disconnect them for safety reasons. Make a note of the current and switch off your installation main switch if the current in the protective conductors drops to a low level you have a neutral to earth fault on your installation and/or your installation is unearthed.

    Next stick an earth electrode in the ground outside, a long screwdriver would do the job and measure with a long lead the voltage between your installation exposed and extraneous parts, if more than a few volts possible supply neutral fault.

    If you believe after investigation you have a supply neutral fault time to call 105 and call in the DNO for them to investigate as you, and anyone coming in to contact with your installtion, may be at risk of shock and also there is a fire risk to your property. 

    Hope this helps?

    JP

  • That'll be an FI then. 

    Yup.

    The test like an RCD - by which I mean that is L&N tails both go through the clamp meter is the more interesting - that is only a test of stuff inside the installation, and anything more than perhaps 0.1% of the main circuit breaker rating needs a very good explanation, The current in the bonding, or in pipes etc, may be  larger, and when it is, that is then due to things outside.  

    The regs may imply PENs never break, but they have been known to do so anyway ;-)

    Mike.

  • Mike and John, many thanks for your contributions. It all varies, but perhaps 80% of L going down N and 20% down the earthing conductor.

    House insurance renewed yesterday. :-)