Alasdair's last message is refreshing to read. If a registered engineer is in a job role that is not related to the role they were in when they first obtained registration, then their registration status isn't relevant. But this also applies to retired members; they can retain registration for sentimental reasons, but they cannot be said to be up to date with current practice.


Roy, as you know this topic is of such interest, and long running that it deserves to be up there alongside East Ender's, and Coronation Street. ????


If you remember way back to the good old days in the years 2007-2008 - and Peter Miller can vouch for this - the Engineering council setup the IEng working party -  sorry I can't remember the names involved in the EC - they sent out letters to all IEng registrants on the EC register; asking them to vote online for their preferred title amongst an array of titles. The result published in June 2008 by all relevant PEIs to their members showed a majority voted for Chartered Certified Engineer CCE. Then suddenly they pulled the plug on the the results, declared the results as just an excersise; but what really happened was they [EC and PEIs] panicked.


Today the world of Science, Engineering and Technology has moved in leaps and bounds. We're nolonger using slide rulers; log books, and pocket calculators; but super computers and artificial intelligence capabilities. An IEng specialist working in a high performance arena and managing a number of technologies can be considered equal to a CEng working in a smaller unit on limited technology devices. So it is about time the EC put away it's 1950s view of the world and bring IEng into the 21st century transferring all IEngs over to CCE status. The CEng will still be regarded as holding the senior status; IEng is no longer fit for purpose.


Given your senior position (IEng FIET) and access to senior figures in the IET, I would say that you are best placed to dig out the published events of 2007-2008 and put it to the IET and EC that they need to carry out the results of the June 2008 votes and setup a new register of CCE. I mention CCE instead of CCEng which some IEng members preferred, because it is important to emphasise that CEng is the senior title and CCE the junior title. The 'certified' label does not limit it to the CCE title; it also applies to CEng by default; and that is something the EC can promote for both titles. CEng are the innovators, and CCE are certified to manage the the technology, but can also provide some level of design work where required; exactly the same relationship as is between CEng and IEng today.

Alasdair's last message is refreshing to read. If a registered engineer is in a job role that is not related to the role they were in when they first obtained registration, then their registration status isn't relevant. But this also applies to retired members; they can retain registration for sentimental reasons, but they cannot be said to be up to date with current practice.


Roy, as you know this topic is of such interest, and long running that it deserves to be up there alongside East Ender's, and Coronation Street. ????


If you remember way back to the good old days in the years 2007-2008 - and Peter Miller can vouch for this - the Engineering council setup the IEng working party -  sorry I can't remember the names involved in the EC - they sent out letters to all IEng registrants on the EC register; asking them to vote online for their preferred title amongst an array of titles. The result published in June 2008 by all relevant PEIs to their members showed a majority voted for Chartered Certified Engineer CCE. Then suddenly they pulled the plug on the the results, declared the results as just an excersise; but what really happened was they [EC and PEIs] panicked.


Today the world of Science, Engineering and Technology has moved in leaps and bounds. We're nolonger using slide rulers; log books, and pocket calculators; but super computers and artificial intelligence capabilities. An IEng specialist working in a high performance arena and managing a number of technologies can be considered equal to a CEng working in a smaller unit on limited technology devices. So it is about time the EC put away it's 1950s view of the world and bring IEng into the 21st century transferring all IEngs over to CCE status. The CEng will still be regarded as holding the senior status; IEng is no longer fit for purpose.


Given your senior position (IEng FIET) and access to senior figures in the IET, I would say that you are best placed to dig out the published events of 2007-2008 and put it to the IET and EC that they need to carry out the results of the June 2008 votes and setup a new register of CCE. I mention CCE instead of CCEng which some IEng members preferred, because it is important to emphasise that CEng is the senior title and CCE the junior title. The 'certified' label does not limit it to the CCE title; it also applies to CEng by default; and that is something the EC can promote for both titles. CEng are the innovators, and CCE are certified to manage the the technology, but can also provide some level of design work where required; exactly the same relationship as is between CEng and IEng today.