I am going to follow Roy's post with some comments and a plea.


I am almost in complete agreement with what Roy and Andy have said in the last few posts. Where I would, perhaps, not completely agree is the issue of the link between qualification, value and salary where I am not as convinced as Roy that it leads to improved positions, as I think it is even more complicated than even Roy suggests. The evident exception is where an engineer is at the top of the tree in their company and then achieves registration, since there is no obviously improved position available, but I also think that many engineers who gain registration and then achieve an improved position would in fact have achieved a measure of improvement even without the registration. If they can demonstrate to their peers that they are suitable for registration they can generally demonstrate to their employers that they are suitable for a promotion/salary increase. This does not mean that I do not value registration but on the contrary feel its value is under-rated by the majority (and not just IEng but CEng and EngTech also - the survey Peter references does not give a breakdown but it is probably fair to assume that most of the respondents are just considering CEng as opposed to all three).


Now my plea - this thread is supposed to be about UK-SPEC Edition 4 and there is a separate thread dealing with the recognition (or not) and value of IEng. Can we please use this thread to discuss the changes to UK-SPEC.


My feeling is that the changes do possibly make things a bit clearer but the majority of people reading it at present are those who are intimately familiar with the last (and previous) issue and therefore have a good understanding of what is needed. The acid test will be when candidates start to read it and we see how many fail to understand the intention. I can see advantages to the revised layout for computer rather than book form, and the inclusion of hyperlinks certainly makes the cross references easier, though being an old stick-in-the-mud (as far as books/e-books are concerned at least) I prefer the old format.


Regards,


Alasdair

I am going to follow Roy's post with some comments and a plea.


I am almost in complete agreement with what Roy and Andy have said in the last few posts. Where I would, perhaps, not completely agree is the issue of the link between qualification, value and salary where I am not as convinced as Roy that it leads to improved positions, as I think it is even more complicated than even Roy suggests. The evident exception is where an engineer is at the top of the tree in their company and then achieves registration, since there is no obviously improved position available, but I also think that many engineers who gain registration and then achieve an improved position would in fact have achieved a measure of improvement even without the registration. If they can demonstrate to their peers that they are suitable for registration they can generally demonstrate to their employers that they are suitable for a promotion/salary increase. This does not mean that I do not value registration but on the contrary feel its value is under-rated by the majority (and not just IEng but CEng and EngTech also - the survey Peter references does not give a breakdown but it is probably fair to assume that most of the respondents are just considering CEng as opposed to all three).


Now my plea - this thread is supposed to be about UK-SPEC Edition 4 and there is a separate thread dealing with the recognition (or not) and value of IEng. Can we please use this thread to discuss the changes to UK-SPEC.


My feeling is that the changes do possibly make things a bit clearer but the majority of people reading it at present are those who are intimately familiar with the last (and previous) issue and therefore have a good understanding of what is needed. The acid test will be when candidates start to read it and we see how many fail to understand the intention. I can see advantages to the revised layout for computer rather than book form, and the inclusion of hyperlinks certainly makes the cross references easier, though being an old stick-in-the-mud (as far as books/e-books are concerned at least) I prefer the old format.


Regards,


Alasdair