The latest edition of UKSpec has been published. Downgrading of IEng competencies as promised.
Roy Pemberton:
I can also confirm that, as he says, there is no way a junior engineer would succeed in an application for I.Eng.
I will reiterate what I've previously said on many occasions, an I.Eng is most definitely not a junior engineer, even with the new, clearer specification set out in the 4th edition. Frankly, the bulk of those carrying out a solid, professional engineering job, even at very senior level, fit the I.Eng profile, and that is a healthy proportional situation for any profession. It may be a stepping stone to C.Eng, but it may be as far as many people want to (or should) go.
This is a Level 6 Apprenticeship. On completion the apprentice will have fully satisfied the requirements for registration as an Incorporated Engineer by the relevant professional engineering institution."
I would assume some will finish a degree apprentice aged 22 or 23. I'm no way denigrating the abilities or competencies of those finishing these apprenticeships but I'm of the opinion they are probably still going into business at a Junior Engineer level.
Similarly in the 4th Edition of UKSpec in relation to project management:-
IEng
3. Contribution to project and financial planning and management together with some responsibility for leading and developing other professional staff
CEng
3. Responsibility for financial and planning aspects of projects, sub- projects or tasks
4. Leading and developing other professional staff through management, mentoring or coaching.
'Contribution to project and financial planning and management' would probably not be a project manager whereas 'Responsibility for financial and planning aspects of projects, sub- projects or tasks' would be.
Roy Pemberton:
I can also confirm that, as he says, there is no way a junior engineer would succeed in an application for I.Eng.
I will reiterate what I've previously said on many occasions, an I.Eng is most definitely not a junior engineer, even with the new, clearer specification set out in the 4th edition. Frankly, the bulk of those carrying out a solid, professional engineering job, even at very senior level, fit the I.Eng profile, and that is a healthy proportional situation for any profession. It may be a stepping stone to C.Eng, but it may be as far as many people want to (or should) go.
This is a Level 6 Apprenticeship. On completion the apprentice will have fully satisfied the requirements for registration as an Incorporated Engineer by the relevant professional engineering institution."
I would assume some will finish a degree apprentice aged 22 or 23. I'm no way denigrating the abilities or competencies of those finishing these apprenticeships but I'm of the opinion they are probably still going into business at a Junior Engineer level.
Similarly in the 4th Edition of UKSpec in relation to project management:-
IEng
3. Contribution to project and financial planning and management together with some responsibility for leading and developing other professional staff
CEng
3. Responsibility for financial and planning aspects of projects, sub- projects or tasks
4. Leading and developing other professional staff through management, mentoring or coaching.
'Contribution to project and financial planning and management' would probably not be a project manager whereas 'Responsibility for financial and planning aspects of projects, sub- projects or tasks' would be.
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