Roy Bowdler:
As I said earlier, for most people on a CEng pathway with an accredited degree under their belt and a supportive employer, UK-SPEC is a pretty minor issue, similar in purpose to a course prospectus offering some structure to your learning ahead of the “final exam”.

 

Hi Roy,


Just for once I'd have to disagree with you a bit here - my experience with applicants over the past couple of years is that you need considerably more than an accredited degree and a supportive employer to gain CEng, and although 4th edition should allow more engineers to obtain CEng (who personally I thought should have been able to obtain it under 3rd edition, but as we know the word "innovation" carried too much weight in that edition) my reading of the two is that 4th edition still squarely puts the majority of graduate engineers in the IEng camp. And that's fine.



I've just had a careful read through of all the competences for 3rd and 4th edition for IEng and CEng. Really interesting. The IEng competences are basically completely unchanged. The CEng competences are very different. If one wanted to, one could say that IEng has stayed the same and that technical competences for CEng have been downgraded! But I'd hope they will be seen as being broadened rather than eroded - the "and/or" statements in there now are hugely important.


What I hadn't spotted before is that the management competences for CEng have been increased. That's very very very annoying. Worth others here looking through the C competences to get their impressions. The silly thing is that the commentary recognises that in matrix organisations (which I suspect most of us work in to some extent these days) potential CEngs probably won't have direct management responsibilities, but then the competences themselves seem to require exactly that! Ah well, as per my previous post I'd better get ready to hand my CEng back since I for one don't meet these any more...actually that's really ironic that the CEng management competences are possibly now rather higher than the CMgr competences! Bother, just I was thinking this was a good standard.


Grumpf.


Andy


 

Roy Bowdler:
As I said earlier, for most people on a CEng pathway with an accredited degree under their belt and a supportive employer, UK-SPEC is a pretty minor issue, similar in purpose to a course prospectus offering some structure to your learning ahead of the “final exam”.

 

Hi Roy,


Just for once I'd have to disagree with you a bit here - my experience with applicants over the past couple of years is that you need considerably more than an accredited degree and a supportive employer to gain CEng, and although 4th edition should allow more engineers to obtain CEng (who personally I thought should have been able to obtain it under 3rd edition, but as we know the word "innovation" carried too much weight in that edition) my reading of the two is that 4th edition still squarely puts the majority of graduate engineers in the IEng camp. And that's fine.



I've just had a careful read through of all the competences for 3rd and 4th edition for IEng and CEng. Really interesting. The IEng competences are basically completely unchanged. The CEng competences are very different. If one wanted to, one could say that IEng has stayed the same and that technical competences for CEng have been downgraded! But I'd hope they will be seen as being broadened rather than eroded - the "and/or" statements in there now are hugely important.


What I hadn't spotted before is that the management competences for CEng have been increased. That's very very very annoying. Worth others here looking through the C competences to get their impressions. The silly thing is that the commentary recognises that in matrix organisations (which I suspect most of us work in to some extent these days) potential CEngs probably won't have direct management responsibilities, but then the competences themselves seem to require exactly that! Ah well, as per my previous post I'd better get ready to hand my CEng back since I for one don't meet these any more...actually that's really ironic that the CEng management competences are possibly now rather higher than the CMgr competences! Bother, just I was thinking this was a good standard.


Grumpf.


Andy