Philip Oakley:

In response to the IEng/CEng Equal but Different similies for doctors, it's not really the distinction between 'junior' doctor and a consultant, but (to me) more between a GP and a consultant. That is the GP does have certain capabilities beyond the 'junior' doctor, dealing with a broad range of issues with competence, while the Consultant is expected to have in a sense a greater (but different) level of capability in their specialist area.


Apologies if I've misused the 'junior' doctor terminology for the initial career stage. The wider world probably isn't ready for what they see as irrelevant distinctions that we think we can make...


Maybe we are describing it all wrong anyway (see the diversity literature regarding techne vs empathe)


Philip

The junior doctor / consultant analogy was the best I could come up with at the time.  A more obvious analogy would be doctors and nurses, but a doctor isn't a nurse who as done further academic studies, nor are they a nurse with more years experience.  But, ultimately, a consultant is a junior doctor with more training and experience.


If IEng vs.CEng could be more like GPs vs. consultants, then that would make IEng a different thing entirely.  But that isn't the way UKSpec is written.


In the past, it's been suggested that IEng should be engineering managers and CEng should be practicing (senior) engineers.  But if that's the case, then ECUK have got the C competences the wrong way round!

Philip Oakley:

In response to the IEng/CEng Equal but Different similies for doctors, it's not really the distinction between 'junior' doctor and a consultant, but (to me) more between a GP and a consultant. That is the GP does have certain capabilities beyond the 'junior' doctor, dealing with a broad range of issues with competence, while the Consultant is expected to have in a sense a greater (but different) level of capability in their specialist area.


Apologies if I've misused the 'junior' doctor terminology for the initial career stage. The wider world probably isn't ready for what they see as irrelevant distinctions that we think we can make...


Maybe we are describing it all wrong anyway (see the diversity literature regarding techne vs empathe)


Philip

The junior doctor / consultant analogy was the best I could come up with at the time.  A more obvious analogy would be doctors and nurses, but a doctor isn't a nurse who as done further academic studies, nor are they a nurse with more years experience.  But, ultimately, a consultant is a junior doctor with more training and experience.


If IEng vs.CEng could be more like GPs vs. consultants, then that would make IEng a different thing entirely.  But that isn't the way UKSpec is written.


In the past, it's been suggested that IEng should be engineering managers and CEng should be practicing (senior) engineers.  But if that's the case, then ECUK have got the C competences the wrong way round!