Peter Miller:

The meaning is clear that a chartered engineer has more competence than an incorporated engineer in both commercial and technical matters.

See my discussion below on C competences. I agree. I don't like this wording. Back in the real world, CEng applicants will be judged on their higher technical leadership, but regarding line management, finance management etc they will be be judged like for like pretty much. Neither have to be line managers, or financial managers. But this doesn't mean IEngs aren't ever allowed to achieve higher management responsibility!!!  And very often they will..but I've already said all that.


Mainly the wording is as it is because it is reasonably possible for an IEng to be achieved 2-3 years (?) after graduation, whereas Ceng is more likely to be 5-7 years (?) after graduation, and the C competences are trying to show what would be expected as the minimum competency of any professional engineer at those points. But of course more is good.


So no, I don't like the 4th edition wording on the C's, but there's been a good internal discussion on how these will be interpreted in the real world, and it really shouldn't prevent a CEng responsible for managing themselves but no-one else from achieving registration.


Thanks,


Andy


Re (?), if someone wants to quote different figures for these that's fine. I'm sure there's various figures around. 

Peter Miller:

The meaning is clear that a chartered engineer has more competence than an incorporated engineer in both commercial and technical matters.

See my discussion below on C competences. I agree. I don't like this wording. Back in the real world, CEng applicants will be judged on their higher technical leadership, but regarding line management, finance management etc they will be be judged like for like pretty much. Neither have to be line managers, or financial managers. But this doesn't mean IEngs aren't ever allowed to achieve higher management responsibility!!!  And very often they will..but I've already said all that.


Mainly the wording is as it is because it is reasonably possible for an IEng to be achieved 2-3 years (?) after graduation, whereas Ceng is more likely to be 5-7 years (?) after graduation, and the C competences are trying to show what would be expected as the minimum competency of any professional engineer at those points. But of course more is good.


So no, I don't like the 4th edition wording on the C's, but there's been a good internal discussion on how these will be interpreted in the real world, and it really shouldn't prevent a CEng responsible for managing themselves but no-one else from achieving registration.


Thanks,


Andy


Re (?), if someone wants to quote different figures for these that's fine. I'm sure there's various figures around.