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CEng Application Length

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In the context of a CEng application, from the guidance notes on page 2, it states "The requirement is not to exceed a total of 12 pages for the whole application when printed."


When I went to the review section, the accountability diagram, copies of my certificates and other 'supporting document' evidence such as 'Assessment Summary' were not present in the application pdf when I clicked 'Download Application'. Are these items considered separate? I would have thought 'full application' included those documents too. I see a total of 5 pages in the downloaded document that seems to cover everything else (employment history etc).


Is the 12 page figure the number of pages that should be present when I click the 'Download Application' in the review section, or does it also include certificates, accountability diagram etc? Are the supporting documents sent separately?


Sorry if it's been asked before, but it also says "You should aim to provide roughly 3000 characters as it is unlikely that less will adequately demonstrate your relevant experience."


For most past employment entries I have 3000 or thereabouts. However for my current and primary role which demonstrates the most, I have currently 7000 which is over double the amount requested. Is this excessive to the extent that it would be marked down?

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  • Interesting point. I just tried to make up an example where you might use a bullet list to break up the text (I was thinking of the tasks involved in day-to-day team management, but it could just as well be a technical example), but actually realised I couldn't find a way of doing it! I was just listing information which didn't really explain anything.


    I was thinking of the type of thing where we see:

    My responsibilities on this project included:
    • Supervising day-to-day health and safety issues

    • Signing off technical variation forms

    • Setting daily tasks for the team

    • Monitoring weekly time and cost expenditure


    Yes, well, of course that's what the candidate did, it's not telling us that they knew how to do this competently. MUCH better to break these down into separate sentences so you can think about whether each statement has enough about how you did it, how you came to choose that approach, how you checked that approach worked, and possibly how you'd learned to do it in the first place, so that it actually shows the Competences. And then after you've written all that go through it again and take out everywhere where you've unnecessarily duplicated the same competence - this is much clearer to see if you've written it out as proper sentences. 


    I've just thought of another common use to beware of for a slightly different reason, that is:

    By using thermonuclear fusion technology in the flux capacitor I was able to:

    • Increase charge density and so reduce our turnover of electrons,

    • Reduce stock holding of neutron bombs by 53%,

    • Increase exports to New Zealand by 3% and to Mars by 256%.


    This is a bit subtle but: this is listing the effect of what you've done, not directly how competent you are. It's about the company and the product, not directly about you. So actually I'd say it's too many words, and so should easily fit in just one or two readable sentences. For your interview presentation that's different, you might use this layout there on your final slide.


    I don't remember seeing a really good application with bullets in, and I've seen a fair few where I've advised the candidates to take them out - and I'm someone who loves bullet lists so much that one of our clients once said "I knew it was an email from Andy because it was written in bullet points"!


    It's a good point, and worth discussing here because you're not the first, and won't be the last, who hopefully this helps.


    Cheers,


    Andy
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  • Interesting point. I just tried to make up an example where you might use a bullet list to break up the text (I was thinking of the tasks involved in day-to-day team management, but it could just as well be a technical example), but actually realised I couldn't find a way of doing it! I was just listing information which didn't really explain anything.


    I was thinking of the type of thing where we see:

    My responsibilities on this project included:
    • Supervising day-to-day health and safety issues

    • Signing off technical variation forms

    • Setting daily tasks for the team

    • Monitoring weekly time and cost expenditure


    Yes, well, of course that's what the candidate did, it's not telling us that they knew how to do this competently. MUCH better to break these down into separate sentences so you can think about whether each statement has enough about how you did it, how you came to choose that approach, how you checked that approach worked, and possibly how you'd learned to do it in the first place, so that it actually shows the Competences. And then after you've written all that go through it again and take out everywhere where you've unnecessarily duplicated the same competence - this is much clearer to see if you've written it out as proper sentences. 


    I've just thought of another common use to beware of for a slightly different reason, that is:

    By using thermonuclear fusion technology in the flux capacitor I was able to:

    • Increase charge density and so reduce our turnover of electrons,

    • Reduce stock holding of neutron bombs by 53%,

    • Increase exports to New Zealand by 3% and to Mars by 256%.


    This is a bit subtle but: this is listing the effect of what you've done, not directly how competent you are. It's about the company and the product, not directly about you. So actually I'd say it's too many words, and so should easily fit in just one or two readable sentences. For your interview presentation that's different, you might use this layout there on your final slide.


    I don't remember seeing a really good application with bullets in, and I've seen a fair few where I've advised the candidates to take them out - and I'm someone who loves bullet lists so much that one of our clients once said "I knew it was an email from Andy because it was written in bullet points"!


    It's a good point, and worth discussing here because you're not the first, and won't be the last, who hopefully this helps.


    Cheers,


    Andy
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