Andy Millar: 
To be of any value to employers or clients they need to actually show that that person meets the UKSpec competences for that level. Which is exactly what the assessment process does (no more, no less). 

The PEIs and the EC were setup by engineers and Technicians over many decades to serve the needs of ‘’their members’, in order so they could be recognised by the community as professionals in their own right, and benefit from learning from their fellow members for the advancement of knowledge and networking. This is still the case today. Practically all of them have now been granted Royal Charter status, and operate as charities for non-profit making purpose: run by members for members. 

As far as I understand it, the IET and EC are not financed nor run by industries or academia.

Your argument implies that Chartered Engineers, are running the whole show in order to facilitate the advancement of ‘Charteted Engineers’ for the purposes of career advancement, but want to have their cake and eat it, by charging the rest of the membership - registration and/or membership practically the same fees Chartered Engineers have to pay. I am sorry, but that's not on.

For your argument to make sense, then changes have to be made, by offering industries and academia corporate membership grades, thus allowing reduction in registration and/or membership fees for non-CEng members who play only minor part in the grand scheme of things. Then everybody can see why only innovative engineers, with meditative holistic characteristic tendencies, coupled with extraordinary high salaries, are the only ones entitled to CEng registration. And members can also see how industry too benefit from such titled engineers, that can advance innovation to competitive levels, with the added benefit of having ‘their designs’ signed off…….for free!

Until the politics, that goes on in the IET and EC, are laid out in the open, then people are going to come to the conclusion, this profession, is a big con, enticing engineers to join at practically the same fees as CEng members, but with worthless membership and registration grades. Must explain why 5 million engineers do not register, as stated by the CEO of the EC to the House of Lords Select Committee, over a decade ago.

Cheers.

Andy Millar: 
To be of any value to employers or clients they need to actually show that that person meets the UKSpec competences for that level. Which is exactly what the assessment process does (no more, no less). 

The PEIs and the EC were setup by engineers and Technicians over many decades to serve the needs of ‘’their members’, in order so they could be recognised by the community as professionals in their own right, and benefit from learning from their fellow members for the advancement of knowledge and networking. This is still the case today. Practically all of them have now been granted Royal Charter status, and operate as charities for non-profit making purpose: run by members for members. 

As far as I understand it, the IET and EC are not financed nor run by industries or academia.

Your argument implies that Chartered Engineers, are running the whole show in order to facilitate the advancement of ‘Charteted Engineers’ for the purposes of career advancement, but want to have their cake and eat it, by charging the rest of the membership - registration and/or membership practically the same fees Chartered Engineers have to pay. I am sorry, but that's not on.

For your argument to make sense, then changes have to be made, by offering industries and academia corporate membership grades, thus allowing reduction in registration and/or membership fees for non-CEng members who play only minor part in the grand scheme of things. Then everybody can see why only innovative engineers, with meditative holistic characteristic tendencies, coupled with extraordinary high salaries, are the only ones entitled to CEng registration. And members can also see how industry too benefit from such titled engineers, that can advance innovation to competitive levels, with the added benefit of having ‘their designs’ signed off…….for free!

Until the politics, that goes on in the IET and EC, are laid out in the open, then people are going to come to the conclusion, this profession, is a big con, enticing engineers to join at practically the same fees as CEng members, but with worthless membership and registration grades. Must explain why 5 million engineers do not register, as stated by the CEO of the EC to the House of Lords Select Committee, over a decade ago.

Cheers.