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UK-SPEC - Fulfilment of C3, When you are not in a management position

Hello All

I have a slight dilemma that I hope some one can help me with.

I have nearly fulfilled all the points on the UK-SPEC for the CEng with the exception of C3

The criteria for C3 states:

“Your evidence may include where you carried out/contributed to staff appraisals; and/or planned/ contributed to the training and development of staff; and/or gathered evidence from colleagues of the management, assessment and feedback that you have provided; and/or carried out/contributed to disciplinary procedures.”

Unfortunately my current role does not involve managing staff, carrying out appraisals or disciplinary procedures.

I was wondering if anyone has met point C3 without being in a management position and if they can provide any examples on how they did this

Any help is much appreciated

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0 Andy Millar over 2 years ago

The way I often put it to candidates (acting as a PRA) is “how do you make sure that other people understand and carry out your technical decisions”. So you may well not be managing them - possibly the majority of engineers work in matrix management organisations where the line manager, project manager, and technical authority are three different people, or as Alex says are consultants - but if you make a technical decision there will be activities you need to do to make sure that it is carried out correctly. Explaining it, possibly visiting site to check things are being done correctly, requesting feedback from tests or trials etc. Providing technical mentorship to junior staff - even if they work for another department or another company - is part of this too (and is just a good thing to do anyway). All this can be your C3 competence.
What you need to show is that you don't just take a technical decision and rely on “the organisation” to make it happen. (Or indeed just do everything yourself.) A key part of being a CEng is taking the responsibility to manage that technical decision through to delivery. Oh, and also to consider what happens afterwards (feedback, lessons learned etc). To my mind this is what the C competences are trying to ensure is in place.
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Andy
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0 Andy Millar over 2 years ago

The way I often put it to candidates (acting as a PRA) is “how do you make sure that other people understand and carry out your technical decisions”. So you may well not be managing them - possibly the majority of engineers work in matrix management organisations where the line manager, project manager, and technical authority are three different people, or as Alex says are consultants - but if you make a technical decision there will be activities you need to do to make sure that it is carried out correctly. Explaining it, possibly visiting site to check things are being done correctly, requesting feedback from tests or trials etc. Providing technical mentorship to junior staff - even if they work for another department or another company - is part of this too (and is just a good thing to do anyway). All this can be your C3 competence.
What you need to show is that you don't just take a technical decision and rely on “the organisation” to make it happen. (Or indeed just do everything yourself.) A key part of being a CEng is taking the responsibility to manage that technical decision through to delivery. Oh, and also to consider what happens afterwards (feedback, lessons learned etc). To my mind this is what the C competences are trying to ensure is in place.
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Andy
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