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ARE CENG AND IENG EQUAL IN STATUS

Nouman Abid Chuhan
Can we say that the CEng and IEng be considered equal titles in professional status or IEng is inferior than CEng.

As the Application Form for both CEng and IEng is same.
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    Peter, 

    I am an I
    Eng by default, I should have been C Eng a long time ago, but the
    UK system is biased against people such as me.

    I wrote an
    ASME code for the first sea water, power plant cooling circuit,
    made from PEHD. ASME wished me good luck.

    I wrote
    the Irish natural gas pipe work codes for the Eire Government? I
    can and have worked to ASME "U Stamp" I believe there are only a
    few that can do that in the UK.

    Finite
    element analysis, Motecarlo probability calcs, 3D Integration , new
    IT codes of stress analysis were within my capabilities, I do not
    like mathematics, so I do inovative engineering. I have a BA in
    mathematics, and two approved masters in nuclear physics and
    cryogenic engineering - the UK says I am I Eng as I have no
    references. I have been I eng for 30 years and never met a MIET
     of any category.

    I work in
    complete teams, everyone is independent but dependent on the
    other.

    My nuclear
    physics callculating doctors do not want to and can not do the
    besic engineering to feed them the information to calculate.

    My Master
    student is not yet competent to work on his own but he has combined
    engineering with physics. His Master was estimed PHD
    material.



    * I Eng =
    Eur Ing

    * C Eng
    (UK) = Eur Ing

    Does Eur
    Ing = C Eng (UK) where's the logic?



    The answer
    is that C Eng is a UK effort to give status to mid career
    engineers.

    C Eng is
    abused by engineers wanting status, by engineers no longer working
    like you or me ( I'm retired forcibly for economic reasons),
     at 67 I'm on call for a new challenge in the UK where there
    are no UK experts in my field.



    I'm
    disillusioned with C Eng but you have nothing better.



    I want to
    see all young PEs of all levels and origins male or female given
    the chance by a PEI to work their way through the multitude of
    systems and opportunities to make the grade they feel best at.
    Stepping stones is a good formula, get a grade, get experience and
    then decide what and where you want to do and go.

    We had
    this with IIE.



    The
    bickering between the 40+ UK PEIs will njot permit this
    objective.

    Most C Eng
    do not want open access anyway, they want prestige and
    exclusivity.



    Your
    attitude is not that of the reclusive C Eng. we need to encourage
    the 98% of Technicians and I Eng that do not see PEIs as a
    worthwhile investment.



    If the UK
    allowed all I Eng (BSc) to be registered Eur Ing, then we would
    possibly open the flood gates to recruiting.

    The
    Germans have Technicians, Engineers and Docter Engineer, the French
    have nothing except good salaries.

    If not -
     BSc Fellow MIET would be better accepted by I Eng working
    towards C Eng.



    This
    debate has been going on since Tech Eng was formed in the 1980s
    when I was founder member of ITEME which had mainly railway
    engineers as members.



    May be
    BREXIT will call on the PEIs to re- examine their "raison d'être".
    You have a "H" of a challenge; yesterday Renault threatened to pull
    out of the UK, and all our EU legislation will disappear with no UK
    legislation to replace it = chaos.



    I am
    upsetting many C eng and IET with this blog, they now threaten to
    discipline me.

    No right
    to free speach, must not criticise the establishment.



    Everything
    you have described can be done by an experienced I Eng. in my team
    that design the last EPR most of the engineers were I Eng types
    from Africa and Eastern Europe. we set up the UK EPR design.



    I Eng and
    C Eng are first foot on the ladder grades, not grades defining your
    competences, they are grades that allow people attain your
    competences by what ever route they chose. My colleague, Oxford
    MEng refused to do anything except pure engineering, UK Spec did
    not interest him; like me he made things that worked or things that
    worked work better.

    I am
    totally independent in my work, no one could do my task, management
    did not interest me. People call on me to sort out problems, I
    would have been called a consultant before, but consultants are
    banned in my line of work, and independent nuclear consultants are
    called spies.



    So what
    can the active PEs in IET do to recover the lost 98% of
    disillusionned PEs?



    I risk to
    be banned for my comments, but I have nothing to lose. I have
    resigned from ECUK as I'm retired, I no longer receive E&T what
    can they do?



    What do
    people actually want from PEIs?



    Good luck
    facing BREXIT .

    John
    Gowman MIET 

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