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ARE CENG AND IENG EQUAL IN STATUS

Nouman Abid Chuhan
Can we say that the CEng and IEng be considered equal titles in professional status or IEng is inferior than CEng.

As the Application Form for both CEng and IEng is same.
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    Posted on 26 March, 2017 at 11:18
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    Daniel
    Scott    :

    Could be a good idea, but how about trying to use a system similar
    to the old German system of Dipl.Ing (U) and Dipl.Ing (FH),
    engineer and technologist called a Dipl.Ing, but having to add
    their actual level of university (U or FH) after the
    Dipl.Ing.

    Chartered Engineer (ML) , Chartered Engineer (BL).  
    (ML) = Masters Level,  (BL) = Bachelors Level.  
    Only a suggestion, considering we tried to have the title
    Incorporated Engineer changed, quite a few years ago and
    failed.

     

    Daniel - the old system
    annotates the Diploma (ie the academic qualification)... in the UK
    we already do this as BSc/BEng (Bachelors) and MSc/MEng/MBA
    (Masters)


    Are you suggesting that a CEng(ML) is supperior to a CEng(BL) ???
    But we haven't yet reached agreement as to whether CEng is
    superiour to IEng ;-)

     


    Andrew & Daniel &
    all,



    In Germany and Europe,
    Professional Engineering qualifications and titles are given by
    academic examination.

    In the UK academic examination
    gives the title and level of attainment of a Professional
    E,ngineer.

    The UK peculiarity is that the
    tile C Eng, I Eng Technician is given by the ECUK registered
    Chartered Learned Societies ie IET.

    To be a member of a Learned
    Society one has to be nominated by a member, as with the Free
    Masons, the first trades’ guild. This tradition has been carried on
    in some PEIs.

    To be registered in the ECUK as
    IEng or CEng you have to be registered in your preferred PEI –
    IET.

    IET carries on this ridiculous
    tradition from IEE. 



    Peer reviews are carried out by
    people that are not up to UK-Spec, but have been active voluntary
    members of past PEIs.

    I questioned Mr Jon Prichard CEO
    ECUK on this practice, in a personal reply he stated:

    “Sponsorship
    Requirements

    This is not a requirement
    of the Engineering Council, but a reasonable requirement of the
    Institutions.”



    In my Institute that formed IET,
    we had no Peer review, or sponsorship for membership at any grade.
    This is conform with ECUK re    gulations.



    Now if the old CEng stalwarts
    want to recede into the 19th Century, IET is not
    going to be progressive.

    Someone on this blog has realised
    that the IEE Electrical and IT professional had sold out their
    PEI.

     IET is open to all
    Scientists, Technicians, Technologists and Engineers, of all
    competences and gender.



    Our Constitution states that all
    MIET of any sex or statute are equal within the
    IET.



    As for titles ,what about MIET
    (Tech or, BSc, or
     MEng)?

    For those not having the
    financial or geographical chance to attend full time academic
    education, our statutes allow for IET to create tutoring and
    examinations for each PE grade.



    If IET is not competent to do
    this with its worldwide 168000 ,membership and university
    professors then call on City & Guilds who have this facility
    open to all prospective PEs, to support the CPD of our
    members.



    Really; Electrical & IT
    professionals are welcome in IET but -



    IET is not an Electrical and
    Information-technology Institute.

    IET is the First cross boundary,
    progressive, 21st
    Century PEI, open to all at equal regards.

    Engineering is team work where
    every member is important.

    If there are those that want to
    be in an exclusive Electrical – IT society, let them do as we did
    30 years ago; go and make one of their own.



    Long live IET for all PEs and
    others.



    J Gowman MIET BSc, (MEng attained
    twice in two disciplines and languages, but not
    certified)

    I would not apply for C Eng now;
    it is not a qualification, it is a membership card
    only.

     

     

     

         
                     
                     
                     
                     
                     
                     
                     
                     
                 
      

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