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ARE CENG AND IENG EQUAL IN STATUS

Nouman Abid Chuhan
Can we say that the CEng and IEng be considered equal titles in professional status or IEng is inferior than CEng.

As the Application Form for both CEng and IEng is same.
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    Re: ARE CENG AND IENG EQUAL IN STATUS
    Posted by Peter Miller on Jan 13, 2017 2:05 pm
    Another difference is that IEng is a grade that is in terminal decline and unlikely to be around in 10 years time.
    Peter,
    JG : That is because IET cannot attract up and coming engineers that have not had the chance to go to university. The typical I Eng today is a contract worker that has great difficulty finding fixed term contracts, he does not have the means to idle at the fac. He has to do 8 years night studies after a full day’s work & transport.
    See Re: Successful CEng appeal possible?
    Posted by John Gowman on Nov 24, 2016 11:08 am

    Peter,

    Yes they are equal in status both are PE, they are different in competences.



    No C Eng could do an I Eng task and vice – versa, unless he has been I Eng first, and even then he has probably lost some competence.



    They are both needed as are managers, technicians and technologists.



    It takes all types to complete a project.



    In a PEI run by C Eng electrical PEs there is not much hope for change.


    It is the PEIs and IET that are failing
    The UK has no engineers register .
    Engineers are legally responsible for their work, so they should be registered to accept that responsibility.
    I Eng & C Eng are status not responsibility grades. I have been responsible for C Eng and uni profs, as well as scientists & technologists.
    We should ask the question in the UK - What is the reason for PEIs, is it registration of C Eng or is it to promote the profession?
    Note :
    The ECUK issues certificates to its registrants for their particular registration, they advise I Eng to add this statement below to their certificate when justifying their status for work or civil representations.


    No one can refute this statement issued by your registration authority.

    Is it up to date now.

    Statement:
    This document defines The Status Of 
    A Corporate member of the Institution of  PEI XXXXXXX(IET in this case)
    (Registered with the Engineering Council Register)
    Joe Reginald Smith Reg N° O12356
    Being a professional engineer holds a title recognised by the Government of the United Kingdom 
    As falling within the scope of Directive 89/48/EEC
    The directive is implemented for engineering in the UK by Statutory Instrument 
    (SI) 1991 N° 824
    (( The European Communities (Register of Professional Qualifications)
    Regulations 1991))
    The Engineering Council is recognised by the UK Government as the national representative body of the engineering profession, working in partnership with other engineering institutions, and is a Designated Authority,
    Under the Implementing regulations for Directive 89/48/EEC.
    Xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
    The ECUK recognises all professional engineers.


    To all would be C Eng who are changing (not progressing) from I Eng, if you are refused C Eng, ask HQ for justification; any assessor who refuses C Eng at interview should be made to justify his action with sound proof.


    To I Engs wanting to be registered C Eng for professional reasons i.e. to pass job selection, stand up for your selves, take action and complain. 


    To all C Eng who are retired, managers, sales persons, lecturers i.e. not practicing real engineering, you do not pass the ECUK Spec. You should do as I did, resign from ECUK.
    I Eng & C Eng is a starting grade which will progress, it is only a present day competence. If you do not keep up to date with technology – CPD then resign.

     
    Times are changing C Eng want to do away with I Eng, because most C Eng only carry out I Eng tasks.

     
    We should chase out the Ludites and make our PEI open to all who make the grade or who are interested in our technologies..
    PEIs are for promoting the profession and communicating.
    They should not be engineering qualification boards.

     
    Your CV and your qualifications are all that are really needed to be recruited, not box ticking with C Eng.
    For those not having the chance to polish the seats of universities, then the PEIs should help them get equivalent recognition.

     
    If you have the experience then ask for Fellow I Eng MIET, this will get you past most C Eng box ticking.

     
    As for our overseas members, do not get embroiled in archaic English traditions, stay MIET, but start to get your own country to register engineers. Get international recognition if you are global.

     
    Who wants to be registered PE second class!
    PEIs should not use amateur assessors, should not ask for references and should not decide on a person’s future after 10 years or more of study and effort, solely based on gut feeling and prejudice.

     
    The ideal engineer has been trained via an apprenticeship and university to BSc followed by a paid master degree.
    It is the C Eng without an apprenticeship that should be considered second class.

    PEIs should promote the profession and inform members of the various advancements in all our global technologies.
    IET is a UK based organisation, let’s promote UK technological achievements.
    This discussion has been going on, in this forum, for over 40 years, that is why the Royal Chartered Institute IIE was formed; to bring equality into the profession – it failed, it amalgamated with IEE; I Mech E closed the door on us.


    Now is the time for change.
    (Does any working engineer really have time to waste reading all these blogs?)

     
    • Is this certificate still up to date?


    John Gowman MIET- no further comments.

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