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ARE CENG AND IENG EQUAL IN STATUS

Nouman Abid Chuhan
Can we say that the CEng and IEng be considered equal titles in professional status or IEng is inferior than CEng.

As the Application Form for both CEng and IEng is same.
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    Ref : Simon
    Baker,

     

    *« If you have a
    degree in engineering or something technology-related, and work in
    engineering or technology, then you just need to find someone who
    will sign the form. »


    You confirm what I have
    been complaining against.

    You are
    a member of
    a restrictive,
    selective     club, tough on the
    others. I’m alright jack.     - *« no reason to try
    to keep me out of their club. »

     


    & EngTech
    and Licentiateship (LCGI)


    There is enough evidence
    to show that IET, PEIs and the ECUK, are serving only the UK
    population of university educated, trained professional engineers.
    As I have pointed out, you can work hard, study by any means
    possible and achieve great engineering feats, yet be barred from
    job selection, because you do not belong to the elite subjective,
    CEng private club.

    On the other hand you can
    drift through “uni”, without making much effort, just go to all the
    lectures and do the set work. Then get into a cosy job by using old
    boy relations, and be CEng at 26 as Simon points out.

     

    Where I have worked, the
    British engineers were glad to leave your club, to work according
    to their competences and experience.     When not in the UK, you
    are still governed by UK regulations.     However, to join this
    CEng club has no value outside of the UK.

     

    To join this UK club in
    order to work in the UK you need friends, and have to buy
    indulgences.

    You belong to the 19th
    Century; you are ruining UK professional engineering. The UK needs
    better than this.

     

    From these blogs we see
    that the majority of CEng do not meet UK-Spec; they work in
    protected industries or authorities and close the gates on others
    who are equally or more competent.


    As you
    said :       Simon
    Baker,      *« If you have a
    degree in engineering or something technology-related, and work in
    engineering or technology, then you just need to find someone who
    will sign the form. »    -  
    *« no reason to try to
    keep me out of their club. »;
    this is reason enough to
    stop this charade of CEng registration and CEng superior to IEng
    bullying.

    Any professional engineer
    who has studied, passed academic examinations and gained
    professional experience should be a registered PE. No titles
    needed.

     

    All of our master
    students on gaining their “Mastère”, said yes we know that now we
    can go and learn a Metier, but we are incapable of being
    independent engineers until we get experience.

    As an apprentice trained
    Eng Tech I was independent and innovating from my first
    day.

     

    No, Technicians and I Eng
    are not equal, but technicians can go on to be I Eng after studying
    and experience.

    No, I Eng and C Eng are
    not equal on the day of passing their BSc or MEng, but an I Eng can
    become CEng after further studies and Experience.

     

    Managers are not
    CEng                            
    Why not an IET sub title CEng manager

    Professors are not
    CEng                          
    Why not an IET sub title CEng academic

    Retired PEs are not CEng
    or IEng.         
    Ref: Andy Millar:
    "Emeritus CEng" when
     retired.

     

    CEng is a current,
    practicing engineering, status for one year only.

    IET does not protect its
    I Eng MIET; it bows down to those that mock it, just for
    prestige.

     

    I want nothing to do with
    the UK CEng it’s worthless. You have justified my observations in
    this blog.

     

    What do we want from a
    PEI?

    Who should, and how to
    register young professional engineers in the UK, that is the real
    question?

     

    How do you face up to
    BREXIT: - by engineering.

    Who are the Engineers we
    need: - they are technicians BSc, MEng and
    technologists.

    Where do we find them:
    not in PEIs in the UK, you have confirmed this fact. The majority
    are not ECUK registered, therefore ECUK has failed.

     

    I’m all right Jack, do
    not change anything, or else we might lose our status and
    prestige.

     

    In philosophy a well
    presented documented argument is irrefutable, so is the counter
    argument.


    ·        
    ARE CENG AND IENG EQUAL
    IN STATUS can be argued for infinitum.


    ·        
    Professional registration
    matters     is not arguable, it is a necessity for
    BREXIT.

    Stop quibbling and sort
    out this mess.

     


    In the light of your
    answer, shouldn't the EC UK close down all other their licensed
    PEIs because the IET
    UK would be enough to cater for all disciplines of
    Engineering    .
    Reply : Barry Brooks :
    ‘    solutions are needed to
    minimise the impact of Brexit on the scientific and engineering
    environment.

    So,
    collaboration is the approach for the time being, as far as I can
    see!


    Barry Brooks : Re: Is IET
    suitable for Mechanical Engineers

    Whilst the name, IET, does
    not specify electrical or electronic engineering, those disciplines
    remain at the heart of our membership, but, reflecting the purpose
    of the IET, increasingly our members have much wider backgrounds
    and roles in industry and academia. 

    The
    IET is flexible and evolves to meet the needs of our members, and
    the society in which we all work, so mechanical, chemical, bio,
    nano-, materials, nuclear, civil, structural, railway engineers are
    all welcome!

     

    Professor J D M Watson CBE
    FREng FICE MSc DPhil CEng

    Asks what our learned
    society needs for the future.

     

    Try some basic
    management:

     

    Six Sigma –
    SCRAP


    1.      
    Stand back and review


    2.      
    Collect all information


    3.      
    Reflect on what is necessary or not


    4.      
    Apraise and sort and dispose of


    5.      
    Pause and reflect before you start again.

     

    QA : continual
    assessement for improvement

     

    Change is needed urgently,
    the choice is for MIETs to make.

     

    Moshe,

     I have had CEng
    refused by two PEIs 5 times by peer reviewers, none of which meet
    UKSpec.

     

    The first PEI members
    blocked all IET members from recruiting, as it called for CEng
    IMECHE.

    This same organisation
    uses IET for lobbying and promoting a lame duck project that will
    kill off UK scientific nuclear R&D.

    IET will do anything for
    prestige, except protect its members.

     

    When a system fails it
    has to be reviewed not covered up to protect incumbent
    members.

    My career was destroyed
    by incumbent people who plagiarised my name and failed in
    engineering. They were so powerful, EU Engineering Diplomats, that
    no action could be taken against them.

     

    This attitude of
    untouchable CEng has to stop.

     


    J Gowman, BA MIET

    Stop Blogging, start acting,
    its your future.




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