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ARE CENG AND IENG EQUAL IN STATUS

Can we say that the CEng and IEng be considered equal titles in professional status or IEng is inferior than CEng.

As the Application Form for both CEng and IEng is same.
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  • Simon Barker:




    Peter Miller:

    Moshe,


    ​Your links to the advertised engineering jobs raises an interesting point. Most of the jobs ask for either IEng or CEng for the same specific job description, whereas UKSpec defines CEng and IEng with different competencies. This seems odd to me, but then again this is only a small sample of currently advertised jobs.



    The IEng and CEng requirements may be different, but whenever I have read UKSpec, it's been clear that a CEng should be capable of doing anything that an IEng could do.  So there isn't any discrepancy there.


    Apologies, but I don't agree here ... " a CEng should be capable of doing anything that an IEng could do" is not really the correct statement to make?


    I think this should read "A CEng has the competences of an IEng".


    Even in specialised sector-specific Engineering Institutions, for example CIBSE, RAeS, SOE, the sectors are so wide that the "competences to do your job" are in no way the same as the "competences to be a registered engineer".


    This is why it's no good getting hung up on the "which is better" discussion.


    Perhaps the real discussion we should be having is whether it should be a requirement for both IEng and CEng to get more "on the ground" (EngTech-type) experience as part of their competences and formation? A better understanding of the practicalities of the profession certainly helps, and I'm not sure that the "straight to the office from University" approach that may happen in some cases is actually the best thing for the profession. The reasoning behind this, is that Engineering is a Craft ... and it's very difficult to get a grasp of that without understanding the Artesan's role.

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  • Simon Barker:




    Peter Miller:

    Moshe,


    ​Your links to the advertised engineering jobs raises an interesting point. Most of the jobs ask for either IEng or CEng for the same specific job description, whereas UKSpec defines CEng and IEng with different competencies. This seems odd to me, but then again this is only a small sample of currently advertised jobs.



    The IEng and CEng requirements may be different, but whenever I have read UKSpec, it's been clear that a CEng should be capable of doing anything that an IEng could do.  So there isn't any discrepancy there.


    Apologies, but I don't agree here ... " a CEng should be capable of doing anything that an IEng could do" is not really the correct statement to make?


    I think this should read "A CEng has the competences of an IEng".


    Even in specialised sector-specific Engineering Institutions, for example CIBSE, RAeS, SOE, the sectors are so wide that the "competences to do your job" are in no way the same as the "competences to be a registered engineer".


    This is why it's no good getting hung up on the "which is better" discussion.


    Perhaps the real discussion we should be having is whether it should be a requirement for both IEng and CEng to get more "on the ground" (EngTech-type) experience as part of their competences and formation? A better understanding of the practicalities of the profession certainly helps, and I'm not sure that the "straight to the office from University" approach that may happen in some cases is actually the best thing for the profession. The reasoning behind this, is that Engineering is a Craft ... and it's very difficult to get a grasp of that without understanding the Artesan's role.

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