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ARE CENG AND IENG EQUAL IN STATUS

Can we say that the CEng and IEng be considered equal titles in professional status or IEng is inferior than CEng.

As the Application Form for both CEng and IEng is same.
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  • Nicholai Wilson:




    In this thread Andy Miller said:

    "I don't see this as illogical at all (in principle, obviously I can't comment on your individual case). It's not about management levels, it's about technical responsibility, and particularly responsibility for innovation. So an engineering team can be run by an IEng who is responsible for the ensuring the right people are working on the right tasks at the right times, even though that person may not have the technical authority to (say) sign off a particular piece of work. After all, the most senior technical person is very likely to be reporting in turn to an MD or VP with a financial, business organisation or marketing background.


    Now, if someone is both managing and technically signing off the work of CEngs, I would expect that person to be eligible to be a CEng.


    People get very bogged down in this idea that organisational seniority and technical seniority are the same things - they absolutely are not."



    On another thread, addressing the subject of whether CEng is an appropriate guarantee of technical competence he also said:


    "No-one (hopefuly!) is saying that CEng guarantees competence in any field a manager may be recruiting for. All it says is that you can expect this person to approach their work, including innovation, professionally. That's it. That's all it's for."

     





    There certainly seems to be some contradiction there.you.







    No there isn't. If you're approaching engineering (including possibly management) professionally you should be eligible for IEng. If you're approaching engineering (including possibly management but definitely including innovation) you should be eligible for CEng. Neither are "qualifications" for any particular role.


    In case anyone is puzzled as to why I'm talking about technical sign off, I am of course talking about systems with a high level of uncertainty where there is a level of engineering judgement required - that's the point of the "innovation" difference. 


    Good, that's that defined nicely.

     

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  • Nicholai Wilson:




    In this thread Andy Miller said:

    "I don't see this as illogical at all (in principle, obviously I can't comment on your individual case). It's not about management levels, it's about technical responsibility, and particularly responsibility for innovation. So an engineering team can be run by an IEng who is responsible for the ensuring the right people are working on the right tasks at the right times, even though that person may not have the technical authority to (say) sign off a particular piece of work. After all, the most senior technical person is very likely to be reporting in turn to an MD or VP with a financial, business organisation or marketing background.


    Now, if someone is both managing and technically signing off the work of CEngs, I would expect that person to be eligible to be a CEng.


    People get very bogged down in this idea that organisational seniority and technical seniority are the same things - they absolutely are not."



    On another thread, addressing the subject of whether CEng is an appropriate guarantee of technical competence he also said:


    "No-one (hopefuly!) is saying that CEng guarantees competence in any field a manager may be recruiting for. All it says is that you can expect this person to approach their work, including innovation, professionally. That's it. That's all it's for."

     





    There certainly seems to be some contradiction there.you.







    No there isn't. If you're approaching engineering (including possibly management) professionally you should be eligible for IEng. If you're approaching engineering (including possibly management but definitely including innovation) you should be eligible for CEng. Neither are "qualifications" for any particular role.


    In case anyone is puzzled as to why I'm talking about technical sign off, I am of course talking about systems with a high level of uncertainty where there is a level of engineering judgement required - that's the point of the "innovation" difference. 


    Good, that's that defined nicely.

     

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