ARE CENG AND IENG EQUAL IN STATUS

Moshe,

I'm retiring,

It is up to your generation to make the profession open to all who are prepared to work and study, no matter what their origins or background.


Engineering is hard but it can be fun and rewarding, It must not be restrictive to university graduates only.


I did an apprenticeship which took me into science fiction and pioneering.

I met some great engineers from nearly every country that has some sort of scientific or engineering capability.


Thank you for your comment.

John Gowman MIET I've given up my titles.

Moshe,

I'm retiring,

It is up to your generation to make the profession open to all who are prepared to work and study, no matter what their origins or background.


Engineering is hard but it can be fun and rewarding, It must not be restrictive to university graduates only.


I did an apprenticeship which took me into science fiction and pioneering.

I met some great engineers from nearly every country that has some sort of scientific or engineering capability.


Thank you for your comment.

John Gowman MIET I've given up my titles.

Moshe,

I'm retiring,

It is up to your generation to make the profession open to all who are prepared to work and study, no matter what their origins or background.


Engineering is hard but it can be fun and rewarding, It must not be restrictive to university graduates only.


I did an apprenticeship which took me into science fiction and pioneering.

I met some great engineers from nearly every country that has some sort of scientific or engineering capability.


Thank you for your comment.

John Gowman MIET I've given up my titles.

Moshe,


​Your links to the advertised engineering jobs raises an interesting point. Most of the jobs ask for either IEng or CEng for the same specific job description, whereas UKSpec defines CEng and IEng with different competencies. This seems odd to me, but then again this is only a small sample of currently advertised jobs.

Peter,


Sometimes I think that some employers dont have the time or need to check all the details.

To match data for the HR or even hiring manager.  

Or maybe the older understanding from the times of IIE still exists.

Any way I also find this interesting and for IEng its a good thing to be viewed together with  CEng as candidates with ability to do the type of the job offered.

I stopped viewing the job listing on the first page, My search was based on IEng key word.

It sends incoraging message to IEng's.


Regards,

Peter Miller:

Moshe,


​Your links to the advertised engineering jobs raises an interesting point. Most of the jobs ask for either IEng or CEng for the same specific job description, whereas UKSpec defines CEng and IEng with different competencies. This seems odd to me, but then again this is only a small sample of currently advertised jobs.

The IEng and CEng requirements may be different, but whenever I have read UKSpec, it's been clear that a CEng should be capable of doing anything that an IEng could do.  So there isn't any discrepancy there.

I think its on case by case approach, when many "attributes" skills, experience of the applicant are taken in to account.

In some cases minimum I.Eng is required. In others CEng is required but I.Eng will also be considered.

 

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I can't disagree, the Engineering Council are clear the competencies of CEng subsum those of IEng. My general point is that IEng has become an irrelevance. You can 'goggle' rare and limited examples of where IEng is stipulated in job adverts (typically when a junior engineer is being recruited), but in the real world the 'incorporated engineer' category of professional registration is rarely seen as full professional  . At the moment the number of  incorporated engineers of  working age (or not approaching retirement) is in the 5,000 to 10,000 figure. Perhaps much less than 1%  of those in the UK who are operating in a technical field who could register.

I wander how would things evolved if at the time a different decision was made and Chartered Engineering Technologist was the designation that replaced I.Eng.

Just speculating here.


Being Chartered usually means one is on top of their profession.  

At least this is how Chartered Accountant, or Chartered Manager, Chartered Scientists etc, etc, viewed.

So would Chartered Engineering or just Chartered Technologist be more attractive to employers and professionals as well?

EurIng and the european standards are actually equivalent to IEng and all based on Batchelors level. However ECUK does not recognise this as CEng which is a higher standard would not have anything to link it too. There are continuing discussions about this issue.