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Home Electronics / Video Project - Advice Needed

Hi There,


I’m in the early stages of a home electronics project and I’ve hit a brick wall, Thought I’d drop a quick note on here to see if anyone has any ideas!

Project:

I’m on off-road enthusiast and a chartered electronic engineer. I decided recently, that I wanted to fit a few video cameras to my car help with my off-roading. The idea is to fit two cameras to the underside of each wing mirror – one pointing at the front wheel and one pointing at the rear wheel. This would (hopefully) reduce the need to have someone ‘spotting’ for me when I’m crawling over rocks and the like.

Requirements & Constraints:
  1. I want the video to appear on my 9” android tablet, which already has a mount on the dash.

  • Video to be as high quality as possible

  • Video refresh rate to be 3 times per second as a minimum, but much higher ideally

  • The tablet needs an internet connection via wifi, hence the cameras need to sit on an existing network.

  • Low cost solution (i.e. £10s or £100s acceptable, £1000s not…)

The Problem:

In a nutshell, getting analogue video to appear on my android tablet.

Things I’ve considered:

  1. IP cameras. I considered buying a few off-the-shelf IP cameras and ripping them apart, boxing up the electronics and coming up with a way to replace the stock image sensor with some waterproof external image sensor that I can mount under the mirror. I decided this was probably unlikely to succeed given the environment (frequent cold/hot cycles etc found in cars). Plus it’s hardly an elegant solution.

  • In-vehicle DVR. This looked promising, there are a great variety to choose from on ebay/amazon & Alibaba. Problem is that they all output in VGA or Composite so it still leaves me in the Analogue domain.

  • Domestic DVR. This idea was to get a domestic/commercial type CCTV DVR with a network connection and then hide it in the car somewhere. Downsides are relatively long boot times, and the devices are designed to be ‘always on’ – so im not convinced it will behave properly with frequent power cycles. Also I’d need a WIFI network bridge – which adds some complexity and I’ve had poor experience with these devices in the past.

  • In-car PC. This seemed like the holy grail – I found a ruggedised PC designed to be used in vehicles that came with a mini internal UPS, a PSU designed to work with vehicles (i.e. an ignition feed, so it shut down properly when power was removed), a 4 channel video capture card, a 4G modem, a WIFI adaptor and an -40’C/+50’C operating envelope. Unfortunately that configuration came in it around the £1100 mark which is just too expensive. Keeping my eyes peeled on ebay for a second hand one though….

  • Raspberry Pi. Similar to the PC I wondered if I could attached a video capture USB dongle to a Pi and use it to stream the video over WIFI. Seemed like a good idea but all my investigations found that it introduced a 500ms/1s delay to the feed – which is no use for this application.

  • AV / WIFI converter. I've searched far and wide for these and only really found one that looks appropriate (or several suspiciously similar devices anyway). The problem with them is that they all form a new wifi hot spot - i.e. they're not capable of joining an existing network, so i'd loose my internet connectivity when viewing them on the tablet and would have to change networks to view different cameras - which is not ideal

The Question:

Does anybody have any more ideas for getting a CCTV/TV, Composite video or some other analogue format into the digital domain – ideally broadcast of IP in a similar way to IP security cameras?


Thanks in advance,


James 

  • You need a GoPro.


    Rob
  • Hi James


    I have a GoPro Hero Session which can live stream to my tablet but obviously will only last as long as its battery does, unless you hard wire it somehow perhaps?


    I was using it in the spring to keep an eye on a Black Bird that had built a nest and taken up residence on a ladder propped up against the side of my house. The camera was on my garden racking on the other side and was connected to the tablet via its own Wifi network, meaning that I could be elsewhere in the house and still keeping an eye on the hatchlings when they were born. smiley


    Does that help? 

  • Hi All, 


    Firstly - thanks for the responses, It's great to get your input. 


    GoPros are an avenue I could explore, but i'd need to strip them down as i'm looking for a more permanent solution really. But that said, the earlier GoPros are around the £50 mark second hand now on ebay and the cheap copies even less than that. I guess the gopro idea would hinge on two key points for me, 1) whether or not the image sensor was mounted directly on the PCB or not, as the installation would need the sensor and electronics to be seperate, and 2) whether or not the video feeds are made available on the wireless network in such a way that I could access them using 3rd party software. I'm assuming here of course that a GoPro can join an existing network, rather than setting up it's own wifi hotspot? If not it may break requirement 4.


    Ben - I have a similar system to that you describe at the moment - albeit with a dashcam rather than satnav, I have a reversing camera that feeds into an aftermarket rear view interior mirror with a hidden screen. Unfortunatly its at it's limits now in terms of expansion and to be honest, It's £20 price tag is now becoming more and more appropriate (its not exactly stable). Interestingly one of the ideas I considered earlier on in the process was using one of those aftermarket 'birds-eye' view systems available on alibaba. They use a 4 camera system to generate a faux top down view of your car, they're actually quite impressive although they have quite an elaborate calibration procedure. I think people have been looking at them primarily as parking aids and hence thinking they're a bit of a fad, but for off-roading they're quite a good idea. They're cheap as chips too! The only problem - they output in composite video which lands me right back at square one. Re mud - this is no small problem, Thats why I decided on under the wing mirrors for the cameras - quite high up so hopefully missing some of the mud, but then easy to clean without leaving the vehicle if the need be! 


    I'm convinced im missing something obvious here somewhere. It surely can't be that hard to get a composite video source digitised and streamed over an IP network. IP security cameras do it all the time and you can pick them up for £30 these days. Maybe I need to buy one on spec and have a delve inside for ideas. I'll probably just wake up one morning and it will come to me. 


    Thanks, 


    James

  • James Pope:

    I'm assuming here of course that a GoPro can join an existing network, rather than setting up it's own wifi hotspot? If not it may break requirement 4.




    Hi James


    I believe that the GoPro (or at least the Hero Session version) does generate it's own wifi network rather than join an existing network. So maybe not suitable for your needs... sad


    Lisa


  • This is a nice website summary relevant to the latency question
    http://www.design-reuse.com/articles/33005/understanding-latency-in-video-compression-systems.html


    Two non-ideal possibilities I can think of

    1. Use a small monitor with two easily switchable inputs one from a pal vehicle DVR split screen output and one from your android tablet 

    2. Perhaps run a pc capture device in car on which you can install VNC server or the equivalent. Then you can set the android tablet as VNC client - if it works I think the off the shelf communication latency will be less this way assuming your comms bandwidth is high enough, and you have enough cpu power at either end to cope with the video refresh rate used.


    James