Have Faith in the IET

These comments sound great.

Congratulations to those that have made ECUK registration by the apprentice or practical route. One of my best uni-lecturers never attended university.

 

IET should continue and improve the efforts of IIE and help PEs get registered at IEng or CEng even if they have not followed the pure university route.

 

Being qualified is one thing, being approved by a peer review is another (this needs to be changed).

If you are resident in the UK, working in a large industrial organisation, then you have a good chance of being accepted and registered for ECUK.

 

The ECUK recognised BScs, needs to be re-evaluated, if you are not electrical, or pure mechanical, things start to be difficult.

 

I had C&G Full Tech Certificate in production with an electrical endorsement and mathematics bridging for HNC entrance, 5 Years study, as part of my apprenticeship.

I went on to study HNC with an industrial engineering endorsement. It was not possible to go to university without A Levels.

 

After a change of career abroad, where I studied the equivalent of C&G in electronics and a taught master in nuclear physics, I came back to the UK and took distance learning BSc courses, in subjects that interested me for my then new atypical career in a field that did not exist elsewhere. My university granted me 30 ECTS for my HNC, nothing for my C&G FTC. ( as Roy has stated I had two distinct equivalents of two years university studies in two distinctly different courses), but only 30ECTS for university financial reasons.

• This is commodification.

• This is a problem with universities selling education for profit.

• This is the same as selling CEng abroad for profit, which is the IET’s main source of income and prestige.

 

Apprenticeship is the sort of engineering formation that gives the greatest overall engineering competences. It is now the main objective of political parties in the UK and Europe. There are specialised College / University combined apprenticeships springing up over the UK and in Europe

Students can go from 16 with 5 GCEs to Master or PhD in the specialised domains.

 

As Roy states and what I have been trying to put over in these blogs is that engineering is a practical trade, as is medicine, where a hard rigorous practical training is necessary to put into practice the academic theory.

Medical training is also being put into question and modernised.

 

The CEng contingent , who have only university and MBA or even no MEng at all, with little true engineering practice are in a position to criticise and block the PEs coming up to full professional registration.

 

IIE had resolved this problem, but since amalgamation we have lost this procedure due to the CEng Electrical contingent, refusing change. In other PEIs it is even worse.

 

IET members overseas will face different problems in registration of I Eng or CEng as there are no real IET structures or the structures are limited to major cities only. In this case, the PRA peer review interview, if it is not CEng electrical, risks to be a certain failure.

I have this experience from other PEIs.

 

The UK Engineering Report is under review; IET should consider all that has been said on these blogs and ensure that the future is secured for all PE s wanting to be ECUK registered.

 
IET, ICE and IMec E have joined together to dominate the report approval, wanting to dismiss the remaining PEIs that comprise ECUK.

(The remaining PEIs would have been what the objective of IIE was, an overall grouping of all PEIs)

Secondly it is suggested that IEng and Eng Tech become one grade.

 

This year is a year of change, MIETs in the UK should ensure that similar profiles to these PEs above who have been registered ECUK via the long route should be openly accepted in IET, and that all grades of membership are complementary and of equal status.,

 

The statistics of the report are shocking for a professional registration system, where most Engineers are not registered, helped or encouraged. The ECUK system has failed.

 

I feel that since 2006 IET has lost its objectives and taken the wrong route.

People making comments here prove me wrong, but I believe that they are not the ones managing IET, they are only following IET directives.

 
Does IET need new directives that meet today’s engineering challenge?

 

It is clearly stated everywhere in Europe that to get back into the harsh globalisation contest, the only solution for Europe is well trained professional engineers and specialist workers and that apprenticeship with specific academic learning at all levels is the most efficient solution.

It is recognised that the back bone of engineering is the IEng or equivalent, whatever he is called.

 

John Gowman BA-MIET

These comments sound great.

Congratulations to those that have made ECUK registration by the apprentice or practical route. One of my best uni-lecturers never attended university.

 

IET should continue and improve the efforts of IIE and help PEs get registered at IEng or CEng even if they have not followed the pure university route.

 

Being qualified is one thing, being approved by a peer review is another (this needs to be changed).

If you are resident in the UK, working in a large industrial organisation, then you have a good chance of being accepted and registered for ECUK.

 

The ECUK recognised BScs, needs to be re-evaluated, if you are not electrical, or pure mechanical, things start to be difficult.

 

I had C&G Full Tech Certificate in production with an electrical endorsement and mathematics bridging for HNC entrance, 5 Years study, as part of my apprenticeship.

I went on to study HNC with an industrial engineering endorsement. It was not possible to go to university without A Levels.

 

After a change of career abroad, where I studied the equivalent of C&G in electronics and a taught master in nuclear physics, I came back to the UK and took distance learning BSc courses, in subjects that interested me for my then new atypical career in a field that did not exist elsewhere. My university granted me 30 ECTS for my HNC, nothing for my C&G FTC. ( as Roy has stated I had two distinct equivalents of two years university studies in two distinctly different courses), but only 30ECTS for university financial reasons.

• This is commodification.

• This is a problem with universities selling education for profit.

• This is the same as selling CEng abroad for profit, which is the IET’s main source of income and prestige.

 

Apprenticeship is the sort of engineering formation that gives the greatest overall engineering competences. It is now the main objective of political parties in the UK and Europe. There are specialised College / University combined apprenticeships springing up over the UK and in Europe

Students can go from 16 with 5 GCEs to Master or PhD in the specialised domains.

 

As Roy states and what I have been trying to put over in these blogs is that engineering is a practical trade, as is medicine, where a hard rigorous practical training is necessary to put into practice the academic theory.

Medical training is also being put into question and modernised.

 

The CEng contingent , who have only university and MBA or even no MEng at all, with little true engineering practice are in a position to criticise and block the PEs coming up to full professional registration.

 

IIE had resolved this problem, but since amalgamation we have lost this procedure due to the CEng Electrical contingent, refusing change. In other PEIs it is even worse.

 

IET members overseas will face different problems in registration of I Eng or CEng as there are no real IET structures or the structures are limited to major cities only. In this case, the PRA peer review interview, if it is not CEng electrical, risks to be a certain failure.

I have this experience from other PEIs.

 

The UK Engineering Report is under review; IET should consider all that has been said on these blogs and ensure that the future is secured for all PE s wanting to be ECUK registered.

 
IET, ICE and IMec E have joined together to dominate the report approval, wanting to dismiss the remaining PEIs that comprise ECUK.

(The remaining PEIs would have been what the objective of IIE was, an overall grouping of all PEIs)

Secondly it is suggested that IEng and Eng Tech become one grade.

 

This year is a year of change, MIETs in the UK should ensure that similar profiles to these PEs above who have been registered ECUK via the long route should be openly accepted in IET, and that all grades of membership are complementary and of equal status.,

 

The statistics of the report are shocking for a professional registration system, where most Engineers are not registered, helped or encouraged. The ECUK system has failed.

 

I feel that since 2006 IET has lost its objectives and taken the wrong route.

People making comments here prove me wrong, but I believe that they are not the ones managing IET, they are only following IET directives.

 
Does IET need new directives that meet today’s engineering challenge?

 

It is clearly stated everywhere in Europe that to get back into the harsh globalisation contest, the only solution for Europe is well trained professional engineers and specialist workers and that apprenticeship with specific academic learning at all levels is the most efficient solution.

It is recognised that the back bone of engineering is the IEng or equivalent, whatever he is called.

 

John Gowman BA-MIET

These comments sound great.

Congratulations to those that have made ECUK registration by the apprentice or practical route. One of my best uni-lecturers never attended university.

 

IET should continue and improve the efforts of IIE and help PEs get registered at IEng or CEng even if they have not followed the pure university route.

 

Being qualified is one thing, being approved by a peer review is another (this needs to be changed).

If you are resident in the UK, working in a large industrial organisation, then you have a good chance of being accepted and registered for ECUK.

 

The ECUK recognised BScs, needs to be re-evaluated, if you are not electrical, or pure mechanical, things start to be difficult.

 

I had C&G Full Tech Certificate in production with an electrical endorsement and mathematics bridging for HNC entrance, 5 Years study, as part of my apprenticeship.

I went on to study HNC with an industrial engineering endorsement. It was not possible to go to university without A Levels.

 

After a change of career abroad, where I studied the equivalent of C&G in electronics and a taught master in nuclear physics, I came back to the UK and took distance learning BSc courses, in subjects that interested me for my then new atypical career in a field that did not exist elsewhere. My university granted me 30 ECTS for my HNC, nothing for my C&G FTC. ( as Roy has stated I had two distinct equivalents of two years university studies in two distinctly different courses), but only 30ECTS for university financial reasons.

• This is commodification.

• This is a problem with universities selling education for profit.

• This is the same as selling CEng abroad for profit, which is the IET’s main source of income and prestige.

 

Apprenticeship is the sort of engineering formation that gives the greatest overall engineering competences. It is now the main objective of political parties in the UK and Europe. There are specialised College / University combined apprenticeships springing up over the UK and in Europe

Students can go from 16 with 5 GCEs to Master or PhD in the specialised domains.

 

As Roy states and what I have been trying to put over in these blogs is that engineering is a practical trade, as is medicine, where a hard rigorous practical training is necessary to put into practice the academic theory.

Medical training is also being put into question and modernised.

 

The CEng contingent , who have only university and MBA or even no MEng at all, with little true engineering practice are in a position to criticise and block the PEs coming up to full professional registration.

 

IIE had resolved this problem, but since amalgamation we have lost this procedure due to the CEng Electrical contingent, refusing change. In other PEIs it is even worse.

 

IET members overseas will face different problems in registration of I Eng or CEng as there are no real IET structures or the structures are limited to major cities only. In this case, the PRA peer review interview, if it is not CEng electrical, risks to be a certain failure.

I have this experience from other PEIs.

 

The UK Engineering Report is under review; IET should consider all that has been said on these blogs and ensure that the future is secured for all PE s wanting to be ECUK registered.

 
IET, ICE and IMec E have joined together to dominate the report approval, wanting to dismiss the remaining PEIs that comprise ECUK.

(The remaining PEIs would have been what the objective of IIE was, an overall grouping of all PEIs)

Secondly it is suggested that IEng and Eng Tech become one grade.

 

This year is a year of change, MIETs in the UK should ensure that similar profiles to these PEs above who have been registered ECUK via the long route should be openly accepted in IET, and that all grades of membership are complementary and of equal status.,

 

The statistics of the report are shocking for a professional registration system, where most Engineers are not registered, helped or encouraged. The ECUK system has failed.

 

I feel that since 2006 IET has lost its objectives and taken the wrong route.

People making comments here prove me wrong, but I believe that they are not the ones managing IET, they are only following IET directives.

 
Does IET need new directives that meet today’s engineering challenge?

 

It is clearly stated everywhere in Europe that to get back into the harsh globalisation contest, the only solution for Europe is well trained professional engineers and specialist workers and that apprenticeship with specific academic learning at all levels is the most efficient solution.

It is recognised that the back bone of engineering is the IEng or equivalent, whatever he is called.

 

John Gowman BA-MIET

These comments sound great.

Congratulations to those that have made ECUK registration by the apprentice or practical route. One of my best uni-lecturers never attended university.

 

IET should continue and improve the efforts of IIE and help PEs get registered at IEng or CEng even if they have not followed the pure university route.

 

Being qualified is one thing, being approved by a peer review is another (this needs to be changed).

If you are resident in the UK, working in a large industrial organisation, then you have a good chance of being accepted and registered for ECUK.

 

The ECUK recognised BScs, needs to be re-evaluated, if you are not electrical, or pure mechanical, things start to be difficult.

 

I had C&G Full Tech Certificate in production with an electrical endorsement and mathematics bridging for HNC entrance, 5 Years study, as part of my apprenticeship.

I went on to study HNC with an industrial engineering endorsement. It was not possible to go to university without A Levels.

 

After a change of career abroad, where I studied the equivalent of C&G in electronics and a taught master in nuclear physics, I came back to the UK and took distance learning BSc courses, in subjects that interested me for my then new atypical career in a field that did not exist elsewhere. My university granted me 30 ECTS for my HNC, nothing for my C&G FTC. ( as Roy has stated I had two distinct equivalents of two years university studies in two distinctly different courses), but only 30ECTS for university financial reasons.

• This is commodification.

• This is a problem with universities selling education for profit.

• This is the same as selling CEng abroad for profit, which is the IET’s main source of income and prestige.

 

Apprenticeship is the sort of engineering formation that gives the greatest overall engineering competences. It is now the main objective of political parties in the UK and Europe. There are specialised College / University combined apprenticeships springing up over the UK and in Europe

Students can go from 16 with 5 GCEs to Master or PhD in the specialised domains.

 

As Roy states and what I have been trying to put over in these blogs is that engineering is a practical trade, as is medicine, where a hard rigorous practical training is necessary to put into practice the academic theory.

Medical training is also being put into question and modernised.

 

The CEng contingent , who have only university and MBA or even no MEng at all, with little true engineering practice are in a position to criticise and block the PEs coming up to full professional registration.

 

IIE had resolved this problem, but since amalgamation we have lost this procedure due to the CEng Electrical contingent, refusing change. In other PEIs it is even worse.

 

IET members overseas will face different problems in registration of I Eng or CEng as there are no real IET structures or the structures are limited to major cities only. In this case, the PRA peer review interview, if it is not CEng electrical, risks to be a certain failure.

I have this experience from other PEIs.

 

The UK Engineering Report is under review; IET should consider all that has been said on these blogs and ensure that the future is secured for all PE s wanting to be ECUK registered.

 
IET, ICE and IMec E have joined together to dominate the report approval, wanting to dismiss the remaining PEIs that comprise ECUK.

(The remaining PEIs would have been what the objective of IIE was, an overall grouping of all PEIs)

Secondly it is suggested that IEng and Eng Tech become one grade.

 

This year is a year of change, MIETs in the UK should ensure that similar profiles to these PEs above who have been registered ECUK via the long route should be openly accepted in IET, and that all grades of membership are complementary and of equal status.,

 

The statistics of the report are shocking for a professional registration system, where most Engineers are not registered, helped or encouraged. The ECUK system has failed.

 

I feel that since 2006 IET has lost its objectives and taken the wrong route.

People making comments here prove me wrong, but I believe that they are not the ones managing IET, they are only following IET directives.

 
Does IET need new directives that meet today’s engineering challenge?

 

It is clearly stated everywhere in Europe that to get back into the harsh globalisation contest, the only solution for Europe is well trained professional engineers and specialist workers and that apprenticeship with specific academic learning at all levels is the most efficient solution.

It is recognised that the back bone of engineering is the IEng or equivalent, whatever he is called.

 

John Gowman BA-MIET

Speak of the devil & he’ll arrive.

How the changing apprenticeship landscape is looking to expand opportunities and improve standards By Sue Weekes : Published E&T on line Friday, April 28, 2017.

 

• JG - Change is needed to register these apprentices in a modern respectfull Professional engineering register.

• Not ECUK, Not CEng

 
Quote ECUK:

• ECUK has stated that IEng can be registered FEANI Eur Ing?

• That CEng can be registered without a University degree.

 
The Key words in this E&T article are:

• April has seen one of the biggest overhauls of the apprenticeship system for decades

• The most significant change is the introduction of the apprenticeship levy.

• By 2020 all employers, including those who don’t pay the levy, will be able to use the Digital Apprenticeship Service to pay for training and assessment for apprenticeships

• first time it means employees aged 24 and over can attract 90 per cent of funding for apprenticeship training (and there is no upper age limit).

• Graduates are also eligible.

• The other major change is that from April 2017, responsibility for apprenticeships has shifted from the Department for Education

• to the newly formed Institute for Apprenticeships (IfA).

• government’s commitment to developing homegrown talent

• it aims to deliver three million ‘quality’ apprenticeships by 2020.

• Quality is the key word here.

• groups of employers, known as trailblazers, are working with institutions such as the IET to develop employer-led standards. T

• hese will be introduced to drive up quality and ensure programmes are, and remain, relevant to the industry.

• Semta says that putting employers in the driving seat of standards development is already leading to the creation of new “cutting-edge” engineering apprenticeship standards

• half our workforce will reach retirement age inside a decade

• there will be lots of demand from employers just to replace existing workers and

• to upskill other workers to fill gaps left by retirement.

• Semta is urging the IfA to keep recognised qualifications a core feature of apprenticeship standards.

• “Engineering employers have argued and won the case for our industry to have continuous assessment and qualifications in our apprenticeships,”

•  

• Daniel reckons that if you are a hands-on learner or are good at problem-solving, an apprenticeship could well be the route for you,

• but notes that he is also proof that it doesn’t have to be a decision between an apprenticeship or a degree.

• “I am currently undertaking my HNC, from which I hope to progress into completing a degree in electronic engineering.

 JG : 

The Future of the UK and Europe is modern skilled engineering in all domains by all grades.

The Elitist Napoleonic attitude is dead,

So should be CEng.

 

A new PE register is needed and a new way of operating it and auditing it is required.

 

John Gowman MIET

Speak of the devil & he’ll arrive.

How the changing apprenticeship landscape is looking to expand opportunities and improve standards By Sue Weekes : Published E&T on line Friday, April 28, 2017.

 

• JG - Change is needed to register these apprentices in a modern respectfull Professional engineering register.

• Not ECUK, Not CEng

 
Quote ECUK:

• ECUK has stated that IEng can be registered FEANI Eur Ing?

• That CEng can be registered without a University degree.

 
The Key words in this E&T article are:

• April has seen one of the biggest overhauls of the apprenticeship system for decades

• The most significant change is the introduction of the apprenticeship levy.

• By 2020 all employers, including those who don’t pay the levy, will be able to use the Digital Apprenticeship Service to pay for training and assessment for apprenticeships

• first time it means employees aged 24 and over can attract 90 per cent of funding for apprenticeship training (and there is no upper age limit).

• Graduates are also eligible.

• The other major change is that from April 2017, responsibility for apprenticeships has shifted from the Department for Education

• to the newly formed Institute for Apprenticeships (IfA).

• government’s commitment to developing homegrown talent

• it aims to deliver three million ‘quality’ apprenticeships by 2020.

• Quality is the key word here.

• groups of employers, known as trailblazers, are working with institutions such as the IET to develop employer-led standards. T

• hese will be introduced to drive up quality and ensure programmes are, and remain, relevant to the industry.

• Semta says that putting employers in the driving seat of standards development is already leading to the creation of new “cutting-edge” engineering apprenticeship standards

• half our workforce will reach retirement age inside a decade

• there will be lots of demand from employers just to replace existing workers and

• to upskill other workers to fill gaps left by retirement.

• Semta is urging the IfA to keep recognised qualifications a core feature of apprenticeship standards.

• “Engineering employers have argued and won the case for our industry to have continuous assessment and qualifications in our apprenticeships,”

•  

• Daniel reckons that if you are a hands-on learner or are good at problem-solving, an apprenticeship could well be the route for you,

• but notes that he is also proof that it doesn’t have to be a decision between an apprenticeship or a degree.

• “I am currently undertaking my HNC, from which I hope to progress into completing a degree in electronic engineering.

 JG : 

The Future of the UK and Europe is modern skilled engineering in all domains by all grades.

The Elitist Napoleonic attitude is dead,

So should be CEng.

 

A new PE register is needed and a new way of operating it and auditing it is required.

 

John Gowman MIET

Speak of the devil & he’ll arrive.

How the changing apprenticeship landscape is looking to expand opportunities and improve standards By Sue Weekes : Published E&T on line Friday, April 28, 2017.

 

• JG - Change is needed to register these apprentices in a modern respectfull Professional engineering register.

• Not ECUK, Not CEng

 
Quote ECUK:

• ECUK has stated that IEng can be registered FEANI Eur Ing?

• That CEng can be registered without a University degree.

 
The Key words in this E&T article are:

• April has seen one of the biggest overhauls of the apprenticeship system for decades

• The most significant change is the introduction of the apprenticeship levy.

• By 2020 all employers, including those who don’t pay the levy, will be able to use the Digital Apprenticeship Service to pay for training and assessment for apprenticeships

• first time it means employees aged 24 and over can attract 90 per cent of funding for apprenticeship training (and there is no upper age limit).

• Graduates are also eligible.

• The other major change is that from April 2017, responsibility for apprenticeships has shifted from the Department for Education

• to the newly formed Institute for Apprenticeships (IfA).

• government’s commitment to developing homegrown talent

• it aims to deliver three million ‘quality’ apprenticeships by 2020.

• Quality is the key word here.

• groups of employers, known as trailblazers, are working with institutions such as the IET to develop employer-led standards. T

• hese will be introduced to drive up quality and ensure programmes are, and remain, relevant to the industry.

• Semta says that putting employers in the driving seat of standards development is already leading to the creation of new “cutting-edge” engineering apprenticeship standards

• half our workforce will reach retirement age inside a decade

• there will be lots of demand from employers just to replace existing workers and

• to upskill other workers to fill gaps left by retirement.

• Semta is urging the IfA to keep recognised qualifications a core feature of apprenticeship standards.

• “Engineering employers have argued and won the case for our industry to have continuous assessment and qualifications in our apprenticeships,”

•  

• Daniel reckons that if you are a hands-on learner or are good at problem-solving, an apprenticeship could well be the route for you,

• but notes that he is also proof that it doesn’t have to be a decision between an apprenticeship or a degree.

• “I am currently undertaking my HNC, from which I hope to progress into completing a degree in electronic engineering.

 JG : 

The Future of the UK and Europe is modern skilled engineering in all domains by all grades.

The Elitist Napoleonic attitude is dead,

So should be CEng.

 

A new PE register is needed and a new way of operating it and auditing it is required.

 

John Gowman MIET

Speak of the devil & he’ll arrive.

How the changing apprenticeship landscape is looking to expand opportunities and improve standards By Sue Weekes : Published E&T on line Friday, April 28, 2017.

 

• JG - Change is needed to register these apprentices in a modern respectfull Professional engineering register.

• Not ECUK, Not CEng

 
Quote ECUK:

• ECUK has stated that IEng can be registered FEANI Eur Ing?

• That CEng can be registered without a University degree.

 
The Key words in this E&T article are:

• April has seen one of the biggest overhauls of the apprenticeship system for decades

• The most significant change is the introduction of the apprenticeship levy.

• By 2020 all employers, including those who don’t pay the levy, will be able to use the Digital Apprenticeship Service to pay for training and assessment for apprenticeships

• first time it means employees aged 24 and over can attract 90 per cent of funding for apprenticeship training (and there is no upper age limit).

• Graduates are also eligible.

• The other major change is that from April 2017, responsibility for apprenticeships has shifted from the Department for Education

• to the newly formed Institute for Apprenticeships (IfA).

• government’s commitment to developing homegrown talent

• it aims to deliver three million ‘quality’ apprenticeships by 2020.

• Quality is the key word here.

• groups of employers, known as trailblazers, are working with institutions such as the IET to develop employer-led standards. T

• hese will be introduced to drive up quality and ensure programmes are, and remain, relevant to the industry.

• Semta says that putting employers in the driving seat of standards development is already leading to the creation of new “cutting-edge” engineering apprenticeship standards

• half our workforce will reach retirement age inside a decade

• there will be lots of demand from employers just to replace existing workers and

• to upskill other workers to fill gaps left by retirement.

• Semta is urging the IfA to keep recognised qualifications a core feature of apprenticeship standards.

• “Engineering employers have argued and won the case for our industry to have continuous assessment and qualifications in our apprenticeships,”

•  

• Daniel reckons that if you are a hands-on learner or are good at problem-solving, an apprenticeship could well be the route for you,

• but notes that he is also proof that it doesn’t have to be a decision between an apprenticeship or a degree.

• “I am currently undertaking my HNC, from which I hope to progress into completing a degree in electronic engineering.

 JG : 

The Future of the UK and Europe is modern skilled engineering in all domains by all grades.

The Elitist Napoleonic attitude is dead,

So should be CEng.

 

A new PE register is needed and a new way of operating it and auditing it is required.

 

John Gowman MIET

I have no faith in an institution that couldn't get competent engineers in my field to assess me properly during my interview. I was of the assumption this institute was multidisciplinary but it is just bias toward electrical engineering. I am an Asset Engineer with a bias toward the design and construction of water trunk and distribution mains. One of the PRI's was from the oil and gas industry the other a Civil engineer. The one from the oil and industry asked 95% of the questions while the engineer who was suppose to be the expert in my field could only muster one technical question about taking into account surge in pipe design. That is the least of it, he kept on sleeping off during my presentation and was only fully active towards the end of my interview. To even find these volunteers was a problem because of my field but then one of them had the gut to assess me when he was half asleep through my interview, eyes closed and head down on numerous occassions (hopefully caught on cctv). While his colleague did the best he could and made me feel comfortable, he engaged me and asked me questions but the person who was suppose confirm if i met competence A & B was disinterested, mentally exhausted and going in and out of sleep. He wasn't force to volunteer and this is career he and IET have messed with. I will continue reviewing my legal option but this is unacceptable and unfair, the three points Collin Seller highlighted would strengthed my application are in my application and were demonstrated verbally and presentation wise. Is it my fault one of my interviewers was in and out of sleep and the other struggled to understand what i meant by structurally designing a pipe against ovalisation and hoops stresses in line with BS EN 1295, i showed my calculation and explained the theory with referenece to relevant code of practices and now they say i didn't, how?