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U.K. ENGINEERING 2016 REPORT

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​I have noted in another discussion, several comments of my own, but there seems to be a lack of interest or it takes too long to read and digest the report.

​Apart from Roy's original comments and direction to be able to read the report, it would be great to find out if IMechE, ICE and the IET have had any official comments on the report and if not, when can we expect any.?


​Daniel


P.S. Just had to get away from CEng v IEng status discussion.
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    Moshe,

    I respect you for what
    you have achieved.




    I’m not in the UK. I have
    been black listed by some unscrupulous persons. In fact a German
    scientist who sacrificed his family and his origins for a
    scientific venture that failed – Fusion Power. He has never
    returned to Germany.




    Your ideals are no longer
    the basis of professional engineering. I’m sorry to
    say.

    The pyramid structure no
    longer works. I trained with the special forces (for rugby) the
    head of the group was a non commissioned officer, we had a captain
    with us, who did other things.

    I have worked for the
    Head of The CIA, he took people on competence. He told me the first
    hand shake and 30 seconds is enough to assess a man. I shook his
    hand and refused his mission.




    There are structures that
    keep the pyramid system, but advancing technology has another
    structure. Electronics and IT are leaders in that.




    I “Surveiled” (Franglais)
    the design of the Chinese EPR, we were employed for a task and
    released; we changed rooms, desks and buildings all the time. The
    engineering team was all BSc Licence standard, specialised in
    dedicated IT programmes. No CEng or Grande Ecole.




    The life of the new
    “state of the art” engineer is precarious. Your idea is ideal but
    in the past.




    IEng is a qualification
    on a set date, some IEng will progress as you did, some will
    broaden their experiences, I did both.

    CEng is a mid Term
    Status; it is valid for one year.

    Your for life
    qualification is your academic qualification, which shows that you
    had the ability to learn and repeat.

    You professional status
    is your salary and your CV.




    An unemployed CEng is
    nothing, but his qualifications and experience will get him back on
    the road.

    As for PhD, I rebuilt the
    world’s largest mass spectrometer used by Julich, Karlhesrhue
    Darmstadt , their leading Professors bought a barrel of burgundy
    and we celebrated.

    One then told me that the
    greatest waste of all time was PhD, not obtained until 28, read by
    three people and classed to be never read again.

    The same person could
    have carried out a working Master and gone on to a real research
    post achieving useful work by the time his is 28.




    PhD and CEng are the same
    they belong in the past, PhD is a university career grade not a
    professional grade.




    In France we have
    elections; we will lose two major political parties, at Christmas
    no one foresaw that.

    IET is facing the same
    changing phenomena.




     You cannot fight
    it. It is no use creating internal groups to try to protect the
    system. The system, IET, is calling for change, you have to guide
    it, not fight it.




    It is people like you
    that IET needs. 

    We need to get FEANI type
    Licence (BSc) PEs in and working.




    Best regards

    John Gowman, BA
    MIET


    (BA after IEng) + (2
    Masters) and no CEng.

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