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U.K. ENGINEERING 2016 REPORT

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​I have noted in another discussion, several comments of my own, but there seems to be a lack of interest or it takes too long to read and digest the report.

​Apart from Roy's original comments and direction to be able to read the report, it would be great to find out if IMechE, ICE and the IET have had any official comments on the report and if not, when can we expect any.?


​Daniel


P.S. Just had to get away from CEng v IEng status discussion.
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    I read many comments that
    are ill founded, there are too many to rectify here.

     

    In my opinion we need to
    keep and respect Technicians.

     

    We need to register BSc
    (or equivalent ) professional engineers with 4 years experience (
    less if apprenticed). No need for titles;  BSc MIET is good
    enough.

     

    We need a UK state
    register of FEANI equivalent BSc Professional engineers before they
    gain work experience. - Not CEN, just BSc.

     

    Last minute
    fact;

    Due to BREXIT, the UK
    Government is funding and backing new taught apprenticeship schemes
    taught in further education establishments – colleges,
    universities, with in house practical training and local industrial
    out-placing.

    This was the UK situation
    in the post war period until the late 80s.

     

    College and University
    offer three types of apprenticeship, inter linked in order that
    students can progress to the level they are fit and competent to
    exercise.


    ·        
    Skilled
    Technician


    ·        
    PE BSc (Hons)


    ·        
    Engineer MEng

     I had the chance to
    be trained this way.

     

    We no longer need CEng,
    it belongs to the past and is not respected as most CEng are not
    meeting UK Spec and are not working at engineering.

     

    CEng is a British
    peculiarity that needs reform, it is a status renewed each year by
    PEIs with the ECUK not a title, not a qualification.

     

    Past & retired PEs
    should have a PEI title only.

     

    IEng is not a
    Technician.

    No IEng would ever accept
    to be classed as a Technician, it is denigrating for each
    profession. I was a Full Technician. I chose to become a
    Professional Engineer, I never felt that my ECUK title was
    respectful of the time and effort that I spent to gain the
    competences and experience. 

    Any one who has the means
    can go through Fac, but try working and paying for your education,
    that’s tough, the results are the same. – A job and a
    salary.

     

    The Ministry of Defence
    and UKAEA classed its scientists and Professional Engineers as
    Professional Technology Officers.

    PTO 4 & 3 were
    Technicians


    PTO 2
    , PTO 1 & PPTO were PEs.or Scientists. I made all the
    grades.

     

    I await ECUK confirmation
    on the PE status, if they dare to reply.

     

    J Gowman
    MIET



     




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