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U.K. ENGINEERING 2016 REPORT

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​I have noted in another discussion, several comments of my own, but there seems to be a lack of interest or it takes too long to read and digest the report.

​Apart from Roy's original comments and direction to be able to read the report, it would be great to find out if IMechE, ICE and the IET have had any official comments on the report and if not, when can we expect any.?


​Daniel


P.S. Just had to get away from CEng v IEng status discussion.
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    Andy, 

    I have
    simply copied statements from IET or ECUK documents.

    The whole
    problem with the UK system of PE registration is that an Engineer
    after having spent endless years of academic study, having passed
    all his examinations, having been trained in an apprenticeship or
    work placement, can be refused ECUK PE registration because his
    face does not fit.

    I spoke to
    ECUK they reconise that there is a real problem in the UK. ECUK has
    no power, it is the PEIs who make the rules, ECUK has no say in
    what happens in a PEI. They said I should have been CEng 30 years
    ago.



    Then there
    is the case of certain PEI members going beyond the limits in
    recruiting by demanding that you should be a member of their
    particular PEI.

    The case I
    gave was a Chief Engineer who refused to recruit MIET for
    mechanical posts, I had his position 20 yeras ago and I designed
    & built his machine. Then IET accepted his apprentices and
    published non peer reviewed articles in E&T.




    The U.K. ENGINEERING 2016 REPORT is adressing that
    problem.

    The
    problem is a very large majority of UK PEs at BSc level are not
    registered, and not interested in PEIs



    The second
    problem is the CEng hegemony. where a minority who concider them
    selves above all others control all the strings.



    One thing
    at a time, what happened to me must not happen again.



    IET is the
    only generalist PEI, it should concentrate on promoting the
    profession in general and all grades of engineering &
    technology in particular.

    I have
    analysed what is happening, going global increases our finances and
    prestige, at the expense of the UK PEs.

    I consider
    that UK PEIs have failed by this registration competition, which is
    not needed.



    IET in
    France has been a closed shop for a few Electricals, it does
    nothing for PEs in France - look at the French community, apart
    from Tuxedo dinner parties, not much happens. 

    IET is
    ilegal in France and Belgium as all charities have to be registered
    under an owner.



    Look at
    the engineering blogs, no one is interested in engineering.

    IET
    volunteers could be better satisfied by promoting Technology and
    organising activities.



    There are
    major elections in Europe, great change could happen very soon - or
    nothing. 

    PE
    registration is following this trend in 2006 we had the chance to
    register IEng as PEs in Europe, the UK (CEng-) PEIs refused.



    I am
    retired, and have a major battle with Europe on my hands, it is for
    your generation to analyse the U.K. ENGINEERING 2016 REPORT
    report and make it work for the majority PEs (BSc) whatever you
    want to call them, and give them a PE passport to Europe - FEANI
    registration.



    Look at
    E&T April 2017 page p60 - insert, it is a special case. I
    helped train the Chinese nuc engineers and corrected the design for
    the UK project. There are no PEs capable of handling this and many
    other major projects anymore.

    The
    government has stepped in where PEIs should have been
    leading.



    A major
    new step is being made, academic led apprenticeships at all grades
    and and many horizontal disciplines.

    This what
    I went through and the UK destroyed. you could lead this new
    approach to an old winning method, using new technolog. All
    technology today is IT based, not always to the best
    advantage.



    People on
    this blog have worked outside of the UK, they have a different view
    of what is happening. 

    It is a UK
    problem; it needs a UK solution, but Technology is global and the
    UK has to fit in; not control.



    I waste my
    time reading University courses and bizare subjects, what is
    happening with PEIs and CEng, has been happening else where; there
    are similarities which politicians and academics have studied, and
    unscroupulous people have taken to their advantage.



    We need to
    end this obscure PE registration and get back to engineering which
    has been lost in the UK.



    As you
    have noted, I have tried to provoke people, to provoke them into
    analysing, questioning and acting for a better future for our PEs
    that need help from volunteers in learning about the engineering
    global business.



    John
    Gowman



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