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U.K. ENGINEERING 2016 REPORT

Former Community Member over 8 years ago

I have noted in another discussion, several comments of my own, but there seems to be a lack of interest or it takes too long to read and digest the report.

Apart from Roy's original comments and direction to be able to read the report, it would be great to find out if IMechE, ICE and the IET have had any official comments on the report and if not, when can we expect any.?

Daniel

P.S. Just had to get away from CEng v IEng status discussion.

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0 Former Community Member over 8 years ago in reply to Legh Richardson

Discussions > Professional registration
matters > Too old at
30?

Andy, at forty I was told
that I was too old for a true engineering post; at 50 I was classed
senior; at 55 I was told that if I did not find a new contract, I
would be exempt for finding work.
That’s the HR and
administration point of view.

Then I was called upon to
advise and reorganise traditional engineering structures where each
discipline worked isolated and autonomously. It was not easy to get
managers or directors to cooperate, but I managed to restructure
the engineering coordination between disciplines.

At 60 I was head hunted
to check the 75 000 Plans and Technical Calculations of an EPR
construction – just in
time. And at 63, I “filled in” to lead the dismantling of one
of the last original R&D nuclear reactors. At the same time I
mentored 6 master students and had two “Stagaires” in DAD one was 21 and the
other 65 - the head of a foreign country’s Nuclear R&D in DAD
(nuclear dismantling procedures). It is never too late to learn. At
67 I have been head hunted for another major nuclear project, we
are just a handful left that are nuclear generalists, there are
none in the UK.

It is not age that counts
it is the prejudice of HR and Directors who do not analyse or
reflect on what they need.

An older person, if
competent, has a tremendous horizontal experience which could be
valuable for the enterprise, he will not be put under
pressure.

However, the same HR and
directors do not invest in CPD of their engineering staff, as it is
more economic to replace someone with a newly formed engineer with
the latest IT skills. The Engineer who lost his position, if he
does not keep up to date with technology applications will be
unemployable.

CPD is a
must.

In Switzerland you are
expected to spend 4 weeks each year on CPD. In France now, CPD is a
budget you are allocated and CPD is a right that an employer cannot
refuse twice.

I have kept up my CPD
personally, not restrained by IET or PEI procedures.

IT is changing quickly,
PEs must master the latest programmes or leave the
profession.

PEs at any grade that
stay in one discipline in one organisation will have little chance
of changing employer or duties. They will not have the cross
discipline experience.

It is not a question of I
Eng or CEng or age, it is a question of competence.

These blogs are being
manoeuvred by a set of bloggers not open to change or
progress.

The U.K. ENGINEERING 2016
REPORT is a particular UK problem made even more
important due to BREXIT, advice from non Brits may be useful but it
is meddling in UK affaires.

It is important that
young people starting in the profession at the four following
grades, do so by any means possible –

·
Specialist
craftsmen

·
Technician – C&G or HNC
etc

·
PE (I Eng, FEANI Eur Ing,
BSc by any route)

·
Consultant, expert MEng
(CEng with a MEng)

A Technician apprentice will
study at night school and by day release. These studies are as
important and equal to the best part of any BSc where you attend
lectures and read. This academic base can be completed by further
studies by correspondence or part time college or university
courses.

A degree is a degree no
matter how or where you obtain it.

However, university study
alone will leave you void of vital experience in production or
development of engineering commodities.

I have come across many
university lecturers who have never been to
university.

This whole debacle is UK
pride and prejudice.

The U.K. ENGINEERING 2016
REPORT needs to consider the UK’s future and how we
achieve to recruit and satisfy the four main components above in
the huge generalist subject of engineering.

If it can separate the three
grades of craftsman, technician and Professional engineer (under
any name, and bring in the French VAE system to cover all academic
learning) then we are nearly home.

The PE must be registered
independently from his PEI. It can be a title for
life.

CEng can be simply MEng -
MIET then we need to think about responsibility, assurances, and
legal liabilities.

·
CEng must be validated each
year.

·
Engineering Managers and
Professors are not CEng. they have other titles and PEIs. They are
MIET.

ECUK needs to be given a new
function of registering PEs or a new system created, why not just
register all PE qualifications.

CEng is not compatible with
the requirements of FEANI or the Professional Engineer
worldwide.

Australia, Canada, USA, are
protectionist they are not to be followed, and any way, why are non
British or PEs not resident in the UK or the Commonwealth seeking
UK CEng?

-
What do we need from our PEI
IET?

Not PE registration, maybe
MEng CEng

Not peer reviews they are
not ECUK requirements.

Take U.K. ENGINEERING 2016
REPORT have it analysed by all MIET, not just CEng
electrical & IT; then make a statistical report on what we need
for the future.

The UK and BREXIT needs PEs
BSc now and trained in the required up to date
technologies.

J Gowman MIET
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