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U.K. ENGINEERING 2016 REPORT

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​I have noted in another discussion, several comments of my own, but there seems to be a lack of interest or it takes too long to read and digest the report.

​Apart from Roy's original comments and direction to be able to read the report, it would be great to find out if IMechE, ICE and the IET have had any official comments on the report and if not, when can we expect any.?


​Daniel


P.S. Just had to get away from CEng v IEng status discussion.
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    Andy,

    Your comment about not needing experience of sales or management or even MEng to get chartered is bang on the money. I have recently suggested to someone (in a PRA role) that they should consider applying for CEng even without an MEng, or even a BEng - in fact the highest qualification is an 'O' level, but in my opinion the individual meets the CEng requirements! As far as sales and management are concerned, sales and marketing are not mentioned in the UKSpec competencies for CEng and the only reference to 'management' is in C2 and C3 which are "Plan, budget, organise, direct and control tasks, poeple and resources" (which is demonstrated by project management as opposed to people management) and "Lead teams and develop staff to meet changing technical and managerial needs" which can be demonstrated by leading a small team while reporting to a line manager.


    However I think this thread is deviating from talking about the Report and drifting to gripes about registration. I read the report about a month ago and my worry is that even if people agree with the contents (which from what I have seen of comments so far is not a given and I wouldn't support all of the proposals myself) then there is still a major problem in getting the will and the commitment to push forward with any changes. It would be difficult enough to get changes implemented by just IET but with the number of PEIs involved it is likely to be close to impossible. That said, all we can do is wait and see what progress is made.

    Alasdair Anderson
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    Andy,

    Your comment about not needing experience of sales or management or even MEng to get chartered is bang on the money. I have recently suggested to someone (in a PRA role) that they should consider applying for CEng even without an MEng, or even a BEng - in fact the highest qualification is an 'O' level, but in my opinion the individual meets the CEng requirements! As far as sales and management are concerned, sales and marketing are not mentioned in the UKSpec competencies for CEng and the only reference to 'management' is in C2 and C3 which are "Plan, budget, organise, direct and control tasks, poeple and resources" (which is demonstrated by project management as opposed to people management) and "Lead teams and develop staff to meet changing technical and managerial needs" which can be demonstrated by leading a small team while reporting to a line manager.


    However I think this thread is deviating from talking about the Report and drifting to gripes about registration. I read the report about a month ago and my worry is that even if people agree with the contents (which from what I have seen of comments so far is not a given and I wouldn't support all of the proposals myself) then there is still a major problem in getting the will and the commitment to push forward with any changes. It would be difficult enough to get changes implemented by just IET but with the number of PEIs involved it is likely to be close to impossible. That said, all we can do is wait and see what progress is made.

    Alasdair Anderson
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