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Gas explosion question

Hi All


I've just had a gas explosion in an enclosure and I'm trying to remember my basic COMPEX stuff.  The enclosure is Ex e.  I must have had an explosive mixture and a source of ingnition.  I am trying to find the cause of both, but there's not much left of it to study.  Am I right in thinking that there should not normally be an explosive mixture in an Ex e box ie this is a rare event?  If so is the presence of gas in itself a fault to be rectified?


Stephen
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  • Hi Stephen,

    I will answer your second question first. There are a number of good makers of hand held gas detectors. There are probably some less good ones but I have only had dealings with the better ones (i.e. the ones who are after EU Directive certification for their equipment). The best way to judge is probably to check what certification the detectors have. An alternative would be to find out which detectors are used by the gas board or their successors (I am assuming that it is methane and not some more abstruse gas leakage you are looking at, though the gas detector manufacturers can cope with any gas you may encounter as may be necessary).

    The other issue is the Ex e enclosure. The comment that "where gas is likely and a source of ignition is present and Ex d enclosure should be used" is, strictly speaking, correct but is misleading. Zone 0 is where there is gas present 'permanently of for long periods'; Zone 1 is where gas may be present under normal operating conditions (but not expected as a rule), and Zone 2 is where gas will only be present exceptionally under abnormal conditions for short periods. The durations normally quoted to quantify this are: Zone 2 < 10 hours per year and Zone 1 < 1000 hours per year (and by elimination Zone 0 > 1000 hours per year).

    Both Ex e and Ex d are suitable for both Zone 2 and Zone 1, but neither are suitable for Zone 0. The Ex e protection eliminates by design the source of ignition. Therefore if there is a source of ignition present which can't be eliminated, Ex e is not an option and Ex d is the one to use, hence the comment "where gas is likely and a source of ignition is present and Ex d enclosure should be used".

    To go back to your original question ("Am I right in thinking that there should not normally be an explosive mixture in an Ex e box ie this is a rare event?  If so is the presence of gas in itself a fault to be rectified?") I would say that an explosive mixture in an Ex e box is a distinct possibility (1000 hours per year works out at about 40 days, so about 10% of the time) but the fact that it has been ignited indicates something went wrong. I can think of four options, though there may be more.

    1. A manufacturing fault.

    2. An installation fault.

    3. A maintenance fault.

    4. A separate but adjacent ignition source so that the Ex e enclosure was not itself at fault but just appears to have been.

    There is a possibility of an 'operational' fault as Ex e equipment needs care in the setting of overload protection to prevent a fault on the circuit causing excessive temperatures leading to ignition but I would include that under 2 and 3 above.

    The biggest problem with Ex equipment is badly informed intervention. If you have any doubts about your own knowledge, please look for help.

    "A little learning is a dangerous thing", Alexander Pope, An essay on Criticism : 1709


    Alasdair Anderson
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  • Hi Stephen,

    I will answer your second question first. There are a number of good makers of hand held gas detectors. There are probably some less good ones but I have only had dealings with the better ones (i.e. the ones who are after EU Directive certification for their equipment). The best way to judge is probably to check what certification the detectors have. An alternative would be to find out which detectors are used by the gas board or their successors (I am assuming that it is methane and not some more abstruse gas leakage you are looking at, though the gas detector manufacturers can cope with any gas you may encounter as may be necessary).

    The other issue is the Ex e enclosure. The comment that "where gas is likely and a source of ignition is present and Ex d enclosure should be used" is, strictly speaking, correct but is misleading. Zone 0 is where there is gas present 'permanently of for long periods'; Zone 1 is where gas may be present under normal operating conditions (but not expected as a rule), and Zone 2 is where gas will only be present exceptionally under abnormal conditions for short periods. The durations normally quoted to quantify this are: Zone 2 < 10 hours per year and Zone 1 < 1000 hours per year (and by elimination Zone 0 > 1000 hours per year).

    Both Ex e and Ex d are suitable for both Zone 2 and Zone 1, but neither are suitable for Zone 0. The Ex e protection eliminates by design the source of ignition. Therefore if there is a source of ignition present which can't be eliminated, Ex e is not an option and Ex d is the one to use, hence the comment "where gas is likely and a source of ignition is present and Ex d enclosure should be used".

    To go back to your original question ("Am I right in thinking that there should not normally be an explosive mixture in an Ex e box ie this is a rare event?  If so is the presence of gas in itself a fault to be rectified?") I would say that an explosive mixture in an Ex e box is a distinct possibility (1000 hours per year works out at about 40 days, so about 10% of the time) but the fact that it has been ignited indicates something went wrong. I can think of four options, though there may be more.

    1. A manufacturing fault.

    2. An installation fault.

    3. A maintenance fault.

    4. A separate but adjacent ignition source so that the Ex e enclosure was not itself at fault but just appears to have been.

    There is a possibility of an 'operational' fault as Ex e equipment needs care in the setting of overload protection to prevent a fault on the circuit causing excessive temperatures leading to ignition but I would include that under 2 and 3 above.

    The biggest problem with Ex equipment is badly informed intervention. If you have any doubts about your own knowledge, please look for help.

    "A little learning is a dangerous thing", Alexander Pope, An essay on Criticism : 1709


    Alasdair Anderson
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